From nobody Fri Aug 8 05:12:55 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4byscM4z0vz64Cgp; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 05:13:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bane.ivosev@pmf.uns.ac.rs) Received: from mail.pmf.uns.ac.rs (mail.pmf.uns.ac.rs [147.91.177.13]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.pmf.uns.ac.rs", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4byscM1CJ7z3VxR; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 05:13:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bane.ivosev@pmf.uns.ac.rs) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from mail.pmf.uns.ac.rs (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.pmf.uns.ac.rs (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4bysc84YqFz62nM; 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4byscM1CJ7z3VxR X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13092, ipnet:147.91.128.0/17, country:RS] On 8/7/2025 10:17 PM, Colin Percival wrote: > I would like this idea, except for one wrinkle: I don't think it would work. > In particular, packages installed from ports might depend on packages from > the base system, so having a single tool which knows about both is necessary. As someone already said "that was THE thing", clear separation for OS and ports. The fact that the FreeBSD release engineering lead is thinking along these lines, to me, is ... scary.