From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 21 22:13:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B55716A47B; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B46143D46; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:13:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LMDPCq099641; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:13:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5LMDPMi001274; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:13:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k5LMDO99001273; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:13:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:13:24 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "M. Warner Losh" Message-ID: <20060621221324.GA1254@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20060620193458.42040d97.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <200606211306.36770.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060621.123456.232930587.imp@bsdimp.com> <20060621.160706.1606922361.imp@bsdimp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060621.160706.1606922361.imp@bsdimp.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: trhodes@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, jhb@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src Makefile README X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:13:31 -0000 On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 04:07:06PM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote.. > In message: <20060621.123456.232930587.imp@bsdimp.com> > "M. Warner Losh" writes: > : In message: <200606211306.36770.jhb@freebsd.org> > : John Baldwin writes: > : : The nature of the compromise over 'make world' was that rather than removing > : : the knob we'd leave it undocumented so that new users aren't tempted to use > : : it, but instead will revert to using buildworld/installworld as they ought to > : : if they get a failure running 'make world'. If we are going to document the > : : knob and thus make it user-supported, we might as well remove it and just > : : make 'make world' user-supported. > : > : The problem with making it 'user-supported' is that it really is a > : dangerous tool for the normal user. Sure, it mostly works, most of > : the time, for most situations. However, when it fails, it fails in an > : unsafe way. It fails in a way that can't be backed out from easily, > : meaning someone will have to boot distribution media to back out to a > : known good state. These events are rare, but totally #@$@!!@@#$ the > : user. > : > : And we're back to the compromise that we had before... > > Unless we want to require I_KNOW_WORLD_CAN_HURT_ME instead of > HISTORICAL_MAKE_WORLD :-) make world -DBEATMEBEATMEYEAH.. :-P Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org