From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 19:47:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D2C106564A; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:47:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lacombar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA158FC0A; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyx56 with SMTP id x56so5567475wey.13 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:47:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=eYl4yEqmuUtxh2mK10eZkSuXCFMuNURgdhCXK8v/BhQ=; b=Os8FM5DMTzz9JK7tB+B4aPsRNWg/pMdxr/nSG2kE3RWEDBB9I5F45F2MofeHIYYgSR V7dEoAn6eHgDDm8AcCsWIVluamLfKYtsc5X4qCjHkGZSYDn2DoTx/l7g2CNqlXTiRXAk jLVqnSuVnRxNmRARN0zCk5VLJyND1tyc6LM2zB/0r5JPC9das4uDsvwZlhtnEPVuMDmb AwNbAZ6RNTk61l0T9AxlbwE/YXyTSRRAa79cNrIlzomaCgi4W9JzBpwIY6xcivle6jaP IVl+nf4IdbbZjCJYe1jEBiqNR13RV1pLWvU5WT1GYxybcbyUcVyOEOYOVvQc3DMPWKUu MbBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.91.1 with SMTP id ca1mr5365731wib.8.1343764040093; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.140.155 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:47:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201207301706.02788.jhb@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:47:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: Arnaud Lacombe To: Warner Losh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:47:22 -0000 Hi, On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Warner Losh wrote: >>> [...] We lack that right now, which is why you're trying to shoe-horn the FDT connections into a newbus world and complaining that everything sucks because it is a poor fit. I'd suggest that different mechanisms are necessary. >>> >> I'm not trying anything, or at least no longer. I do not see the point >> working on that when I can not get trivial patches in, especially >> those fixing poorly maintained drivers, whose issues _do_ affect >> people. > > Hey Arnaud, sorry to be a little harsh, but maybe if you shouted less and cooperated more, people would be more willing to work with you. > I tried to be Mr Nice Guy in the past, all I got in return was being ignored. Lists are full of unanswered problem because people do not want to insist getting an answer. Now, believe me on one point, if you are a driver or subsystem author, might I have an issue with your work, I *will* be a recurring pain in your butt to get the issue fixed, or to get in what I do believe, with the limited set of knowledge and resources to my disposal[0], to be a correct fix for the issue, at the time. If you are condescending, arrogant, or advocates of the status-quo, as have been committers in the past, I will return you favor. Let face it, FreeBSD is not the most outstanding OS out there (despite obvious capabilities), and I would not be too proud of its state. All that to say that asking politely does not work in the arbitrary FreeBSD realm, where "the power to serve", is today nothing more that a relic. - Arnaud ps: note that I am ready to be wrong and to be publicly proven so, as it's been the case recently. [0]: which certainly not mean I am wrong, very far from that. > Having said that, I'd be happy to help fix this problem. I've not seen the patches you're talking about, I'd be happy to take a look and try to get them in, as appropriate. > > Warner >