From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 17:18:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9931065706 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBCB8FC19 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so17179120obb.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:18:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=QmY/HLk4k0jRu2x8DZ4aGXSJR/ElCyVmkZD+zvvfXlg=; b=eO+T+5g/ja76O6WQGplUgJVsQaY2HBdB2kEgSS8xdQWmx/uO/Fvj9pjsPOXQ1Cd6Zt kjNllOaIgoecEH8vog7D1kRi6sx8LaKf1H8RXG67J/8g9GfgHVzn+sp0Glo46MXnkYkA pm+JvuaXxB6PlYen5KAEdxs8erMl2xZdOS81oCeTTWBSjr92AKNZFrTBK3epHZKFMciO 2dIIa+tbDrzQKm9mT+PwE6JrVYXh1cdAAXjMS9AAUMc8A90H4pRc7yhSE2K3u5RwtBrD a7gkDla1iuO1jWIT/wd3gdE6kIiqA8ZNTK06o/xdabIOYk0LeFIxUgUqMMq/PcWHN+Nx 5AUg== Received: by 10.182.146.84 with SMTP id ta20mr21971873obb.19.1341508688030; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.30.101.53] ([209.117.142.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g1sm15085130oei.4.2012.07.05.10.18.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <4FF5C48C.9030106@my.gd> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:18:05 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4FF5BF27.2030609@my.gd> <4FF5C48C.9030106@my.gd> To: Damien Fleuriot X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm4REy9giY+0TgxHi1jn02dhTxE2YvjI30W+UQoUVGzBBUnlL+Z4/0lNttDNZkHIthCOfDq Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 17:18:08 -0000 On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >=20 > On 7/5/12 6:38 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> inexperienced users. >>>=20 >>> Having to enable it manually defeats its very purpose. >>=20 >> so is FreeBSD future direction to be moron-OS just like linux is now, = or >> is that just another stupid idea on that forum that came and... will = pass? >>=20 >> Quite important. There are still people that want normal OS. >=20 >=20 > Just because you don't like the idea doesn't make it stupid, and just > because it comes from linux doesn't make it bad. Both true. However, if the database lookups took a long time, or had a = high overhead to maintain, then it would be stupid to have on by = default. Warner