From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 12 11:01:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0804D16A4DD for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from james@wgold.demon.co.uk) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F2343D73 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:00:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from james@wgold.demon.co.uk) Received: from wgold.demon.co.uk ([158.152.96.124] helo=thor) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GBrEb-000MCC-5O; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:00:54 +0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by thor ([127.0.0.1] running VPOP3) with SMTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:48:51 +0100 From: "James Mansion" To: "Mark Linimon" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:48:50 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060807230830.GB26343@soaustin.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0k - Registered Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: RE: diskless (or rather, readonly) X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:01:04 -0000 >No one has run and hidden away. I think you completely misunderstand >how Open Source projects that are driven by volunteers work. I assure you that I understand - I just think its far from ideal. I don't see why my relationship with 'the suppliers of FreeBSD' should in any way differ from my relationship with the suppliers of Solaris or Windows or RedHat (all of which I use at work) or 'the suppliers of Ubuntu Linux' which I use at home when I want to use Linux. All of which are cheap as chips (well, not RedHat) and work OK. Now I quite accept all the excuses you give about why things can be problematic with volunteer projects, but if you want to be part of a system that's a contender, then you have to address it. You can't tell users thatthey have to be developers, which is effectively what you told me. Sorry, it doesn't work any more. There's too much good competition - adequate workstation operating systems are commoditised. James