From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 4 20:28:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B690FA for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.scaleengine.net (beauharnois2.bhs1.scaleengine.net [142.4.218.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7CE2DEC for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.1.1.1] (S01060001abad1dea.hm.shawcable.net [50.70.146.73]) (Authenticated sender: allanjude.freebsd@scaleengine.com) by mx1.scaleengine.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB4C07DC5D for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <538F818B.8060408@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 16:28:59 -0400 From: Allan Jude User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Legacy" Release Terminology [was: There is currently no usable release of FreeBSD.] References: <332D72DF-2225-40E2-B246-0786181AAB51@tony.li> <538F5FB5.9060008@FreeBSD.org> <662C363E-A16E-48B2-9FBF-D2D4AB81733C@dataix.net> <538F70A8.4060904@FreeBSD.org> <538F747C.7010901@vangyzen.net> In-Reply-To: <538F747C.7010901@vangyzen.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="38mM8MRWvQAEQxJPPfk8dvSf8OD6IbR72" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 20:28:56 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --38mM8MRWvQAEQxJPPfk8dvSf8OD6IbR72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2014-06-04 15:33, Eric van Gyzen wrote: > On 06/04/2014 14:16, Jonathan Anderson wrote: >> Jason Hellenthal wrote: >>> Legacy . . . >>> /adjective/ >>> COMPUTING >>> ** >>> >>> 1. >>> *1*. >>> denoting software or hardware that has been superseded but is >>> difficult to replace because of its wide use. >>> >>> >>> What about that says unsupported ? >> >> >> Sure, you're right about the dictionary definition, but in some usage >> (including among certain folks who build, package and use a popular >> open-source alternative to FreeBSD), people treat the word "legacy" as= >> synonymous with "obsolete". Perhaps they shouldn't, but many do, and >> the original poster is trying to justify to the compliance-happy parts= >> of an organisation why it's ok to base a company's future on something= >> labelled as ${perceived-to-be-negative adjective}. >> >> So, rather than use words that are unclear (people in this >> conversation seem to have different perspectives on them), I suggest >> that we use unambiguous language: "branch X will be supported until >> x/y/zz". >=20 > I have long thought that "Legacy", as used on the front page of > www.freebsd.org, was misleading. Please, let's change it. Let's call > 8.4, 9.2, and 10.0 all "Production", because that is what they are. Th= e > numbers imply most of the relevant distinctions (features, maturity, > longevity, etc.). >=20 > Independently, specifying branch support dates would also be helpful, > but let's at least improve the "legacy" terminology. >=20 > Eric > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >=20 I have made a diff for the proposed change to the front page: https://phabric.freebsd.org/D175 Comments of suggestions welcome --=20 Allan Jude --38mM8MRWvQAEQxJPPfk8dvSf8OD6IbR72 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTj4GLAAoJEJrBFpNRJZKfeXUQAK4228oa6vKKO/k6O9zqRZ/a FI4JLfyel9Q7Tn/IA0OTC6U6kS+0CLlWGWuab4W6TI9jDlYtL6/DMkrqfr2SybuC XsPzdLvlfSM2eEywpe0OuXmNMfnGLmzrgONXd83ZOlZdden5Lg7gisaGGVkJCUDb baZIe9ha/XHeYbFV8u+gcDUOpWVCjdrDx6eaFaLV9CELmaYL6nVUnUReKWF78Of8 VLAkvORR+JPC/l1uXYSqKGJVJoMCN/4GbqSN0BZb6bQnXKHHJuoRCTBDd4KhXM3q qDSZpbBHMIggioFH/hqiC84kPo2I2fLKJ4u/3VSESenaHKUo1Xf6a7Kr3bE6Wmol kCTjFyapcHeRPeleEBr0SDNs/C6J8V5m3lnN2u0b2aTxYGUMTGzM+nTcLVPpciGU MRVWAIPbRrM1uvMrfPUk+F5COIGWiVaTvSs2/KcT5r/+P2xDRFTvEmsQE6qzMhgZ 4B5528mwua9QNeUeOuLYJ56CkBawOxyM+exUwxCqqwiVdulPKsgZroLxqwMC1IED HaGrJKS374aQeZEEVoBh2eetFKbOH2ZEkzHtZJoCMYNiLzXiv+Khq6JzTIdfBsJk SI/t4GPA68VSbWuOCLV7kSgAoARp9jH9YMgZYruNWnZvtNSr5FlSwXFUXChEJ856 XTlraQ/SgPK/qsmGPF3P =6Zhd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --38mM8MRWvQAEQxJPPfk8dvSf8OD6IbR72--