From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 15:05:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90AFC16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:05:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from crivens.unixoid.de (crivens.unixoid.de [81.169.171.191]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D413443D2F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:05:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MH@kernel32.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crivens.unixoid.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866E23FFE; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:05:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from crivens.unixoid.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (crivens.unixoid.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68848-01; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:05:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.100.74] (pD9E0E8E6.dip.t-dialin.net [217.224.232.230]) by crivens.unixoid.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86D23F5A; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:05:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4208D4A4.6090304@kernel32.de> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:03:00 +0100 From: Marian Hettwer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041228) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: supraexpress@globaleyes.net References: <20050208145219.491D143D39@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20050208145219.491D143D39@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixoid.de cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The case for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:05:36 -0000 Hi there, supraexpress@globaleyes.net wrote: > WHY all of the moaning and groaning about "lack of exposure" for FreeBSD when > the Installer is one of the main reasons for this? I know of someone, a > "general user", who specifically gave up on FreeBSD because of the Installer, > and jumped over to one of the Linuxes which was "much easier to install". I > have had to help a couple of others through the Installer because they had > "gotten lost". This is NOT an excuse for excluding people from discovering or > using FreeBSD! > come on. Be a little bit more real. Even if we would have a fancy installer (please not as blown up as SuSE's or RedHat's), I bet that this Average User couldn't work with FreeBSD anyway. A lot of stuff needs to be configured by hand on FreeBSD. That's the way it works now. If Average Joe can't use sysinstall with www.freebsd.org/handbook/ at his hands, he won't be able to use FreeBSD anyway. Look at the Gentoo Folks, they have a growing userbase and still their way of installing is (IMO) harder without documentation than installing FreeBSD. However. Making sysinstall easier ( == fewer options) for newbies might be a good idea. If you don't have the handbook you _may_ get lost, due to the high amount of options to choose from. best regards, Marian -- It takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen. -- Homer Simpson Colonel Homer