From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sat May 15 20:07:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D49764E687 for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 20:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FjGf61n26z3lrK for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 20:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 3B1E464E55C; Sat, 15 May 2021 20:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE2864E817 for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 20:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x336.google.com (mail-ot1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FjGf614Fpz3ltq; Sat, 15 May 2021 20:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x336.google.com with SMTP id i23-20020a9d68d70000b02902dc19ed4c15so2319454oto.0; Sat, 15 May 2021 13:07:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pQMzWAni44e6F2TA5X8PokHhlK4sHWlGnp0GWztlmTg=; b=P9Aaj56OhI/YN7WCQythp3k6ji20Iwzp5akoXbCA9pn9/Ja9M4XmHGcZ2+45vzeqO4 bqEZ0AzMZ/KnmwbQaSVcbEqLbPGAnkKXA3GpU9UEOAX/TdThnyJ+xz9ykWHjTBh4UYHs 5P/SC1SloR7cfCXMz/+5Zkm76P48pH0hK18Ni287XoYPjEQkdjjdREyeatnFahf5ROS2 rA7yY6DOhYHYCR3E1zZZtuoQJyXWa6FWj4YHcRYOQ+iQU6VgafFFOQqyJ6qCOsOxAYfi kbyMiPepUFePK7IpZnerHVp5jZoLD2mApRfMtIMj6mp+kO8lZ1omvNYOuNsXM+MeANH6 iIzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pQMzWAni44e6F2TA5X8PokHhlK4sHWlGnp0GWztlmTg=; b=L/5MDEvfixXapJd54Ejtu+trApQ9ZpyRcHNidQI6Qr4mhwPHWGyLh8Ez5D4Q6Pyq5a f9q1KijoRSUcZHZKF90LNm1/pA0RtR/7Kod1Nq62bq44Vx18C7G+FjJUvLCOs5v/PJ0s 4wYUMZI2pPfPB1vwu8rES6WaklibdBe/sxd5LcvWKyIH0LLRAD0Db/SIZhFmZb77hL9e VsHbN5BmuRkgjFN3StcxgiStRDD5LnqTSJs9XmSuDRxd4WKGMac2808nXkIi9albD6JF Pj4y+FG/rN0JCqXYNJ7CsomJ/0d9h9IeEyKbAg+4M9eFjO7JBZpEl3rFpFJ/KL8z1CoV xQ2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533ErphhB2AW3gUSTLgDk7yH3ipQbKNnMmdvmqmR0JHANUF8PZB2 JjQJBdajzO9dLH91xc4MVH2RhhQyeg4l/wbkfSqJWU3Z+/0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyc6Ia0TwBXxU/IAvq3zdNXCjLaiU5dBPMbdCnz5ZG79z+zF4iS/MKB5SktiJ+ur97DderotF5VhG2NQxLOCqU= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5552:: with SMTP id h18mr35760159oti.104.1621109260800; Sat, 15 May 2021 13:07:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <451388d3-934c-c506-d7de-81de44b4a29a@vangyzen.net> In-Reply-To: From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 13:07:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Alternate Screen To: Gleb Popov Cc: Eric van Gyzen , current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FjGf614Fpz3ltq X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 20:07:42 -0000 We went through this "alternate screen" thing about 12 or more years ago and almost everyone hated it except those used to Linux behavior. I don't think it ever made it into a release after all of the screams of pain. It drives me crazy when editing on the Linux Mint VM I run from time to time. I've never been able to figure out why anyone would find it an improvement an I suspect it was inserted in some Unix code back in the days of the VT100 or VT220 terminal which were super popular and supported it. I guess it's because someone thought it was a cool thing and that terminal based editors were the perfect use. In any case, please make it STOP! -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:46 AM Gleb Popov wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 5:02 PM Eric van Gyzen wrote: > > > There was a recent discussion about a terminal database update and the > > new Alternate Screen behavior. I'm curious about the resolution, but I > > can't find that discussion. Would someone kindly send a clue-by-four > > via overnight express? > > > > Ultimately, I'd like to know how to get the old behavior back, with no > > alternate screen, and thereby reduce my blood pressure. > > > > When I enter `ee`, I can't scroll in my Konsole window anymore. Instead, > the cursor inside the text editor is moving. > > Is this relevant to that "alternate screen" problem? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >