From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 18:30:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBA6106568B for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20A38FC14 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A55C9.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.85.201]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o12IUqe5052020; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:30:55 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o12IUiER059886; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:30:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o12IUTLl059175; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:30:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201002021830.o12IUTLl059175@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Christoph Kukulies From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:21:12 +0100." <4B6842E8.2030800@kukulies.org> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:30:29 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Kirk McKusick , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:30:59 -0000 Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Look here: > > http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-51396-2.html ( Well spotted Christoph ! ) For those that don't read German, tracing back, Text article starts here http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,675395,00.html That is in German, (some might like a translator web, eg http://babelfish.org ) I did read the german article (but skipped graphics). Key paragraph: Es ist ein Horrorszenario für Datenschützer, was Thorsten Holz, Gilbert Wondracek, Engin Kirda und Christopher Kruegel in ihrem 15-seitigen Aufsatz beschreiben ( PDF-Datei hier, 803 KB): Die Experten vom Isec-Forschungslabor für IT-Sicherheit, einer Kooperation der Technischen Universität Wien, dem Institute Eurcom und der University of California, dokumentieren einen technisch eher simplen Angriff, der eine seit zehn Jahren bekannte Sicherheitslücke ausnutzt. In key para there I could click & download sonda-TR.pdf (though now I can't seem to redownload http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf ) A 15 page article in Engish. Page 4 uses the Firefox & BSD logos. I havent read that English [yet], but with it, any interested here can now read & form own opinions if it seems fair to use the Daemon logo, especially cc'd copyright holder of BSD daemon holder: Kirk McKusick IMO The German article by weekly magazine Spiegel.de didnt really seem to have anything to do with BSD, they just copied the graphics. Personaly my 2c: Initial reaction was I'd be a happier if a generic PC graphic had been used in the spiegel.de web, but maybe its the price of fame, I guess tests were done using BSD, & Spiegel thought it was nice colourful graphic. (Politicians never looked good on British TV Spitting Image programme, but they learnt it was better to look bad there, & be talked about, than not seen, not recognised & ignored). Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org