From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 18 2:31: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81A637B405; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9I9gcs10427; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200110180942.f9I9gcs10427@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Cc: "Mike Smith" , "Doug Hass" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FYI In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:22:41 PDT." <004101c157b6$6fcdb0a0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:42:38 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >You're a) misrepresenting the project, b) dismissing the opinions and > >statements of others that are arguably more in touch with the project, > >and c) you won't let this stupid thread die. > > I do not feel that this thread is stupid. This much is obvious. You are, however, largely alone in this opinion. > To the contrary I'm very > concerned when a manufacturer pulls a specialty card supported > by FreeBSD off the market and replaces it with nothing that is > supported. If you're "very concerned" about it, I recommend doing something constructive to mitigate the situation. The vendor in question appears to have offered a bounty for a driver; why don't you get busy on it? > Every time this happens (and it seems to be happening > a lot with network adapters lately) It does? Really? You know, I can only think of one ethernet chipset currently on the market that we don't support, or don't have imminent support coming for. That's not "a lot" by any stretch of the imagination. So I'll say it all again, in a slightly different fashion: You sound too much like Brett Glass. Less hysteria, please, and a little more practicality. = Mike -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message