From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Thu Jan 3 16:33:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D919142F89A for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 16:33:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mozolevsky@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-f47.google.com (mail-ot1-f47.google.com [209.85.210.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90EE0843B9 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 16:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mozolevsky@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-f47.google.com with SMTP id k98so29833984otk.3 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 08:33:15 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z3IcK4KRg16Dzf5GSs52nbGsffYSTERHnf7/c+uYnr8=; b=tbCJx3NKoaxnLMNesk+lZ+YQNBxCNvsSRe5rGJRFZe7/3nQxn8RS3WyKV8ToGURvCA ZByK4Eo4TKQc/qb/dq74h+FnNlc7m4vxqEmFs5lzSFYiTRSpt+atNSLKwWeOWocxW3o8 0J7lEADTZ1NzA6xqTuS0v1fxi+Ydev8TmuFMhZkVbC0iiA1Vqdg4TqPFZsO9eNtZ4Vv1 3xdkWvRqZL62ATVocnHRVTHd+1yVfDRjr+qi29p9uIb8WsnLuJF2EYuL8+OlyVSJsFGk cGSzRQw3NtQLx1KAe0Xs+0sL3a/won3ZFka56n6x5sxcNAPGg7PV8sWLuCjnZprhBwIQ G8Cg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukd1PvAr4tpI8W6le0sbW13fSY9BOsAw6eMUfgxVdNdfs4tnorXP rC0WUml/kt09yWIim9SNEWp8/fjry9f3E3ZLHrI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN7cjZHLHDtmbeg76nONERvAKU3g/Z9JMMkDrbI9YC6XGEHRG5JoJSjd90va5RnkjWYpjPNKTbLBWH0Od0QYiSk= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4c01:: with SMTP id l1mr33900398otf.242.1546533188428; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 08:33:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201901021829.x02IT4Kc064169@slippy.cwsent.com> <361CCB81-AEB6-4EAC-9604-CD8F4C63948C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <361CCB81-AEB6-4EAC-9604-CD8F4C63948C@gmail.com> From: Igor Mozolevsky Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 16:32:31 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components To: Enji Cooper Cc: Hackers freeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 90EE0843B9 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mozolevsky@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mozolevsky@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.985,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hybrid-lab.co.uk]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[47.210.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.71)[-0.712,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk,mozolevsky@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk,mozolevsky@gmail.com]; IP_SCORE(-1.10)[ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.78), asn: 15169(-1.64), country: US(-0.08)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 16:33:16 -0000 On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 16:26, Enji Cooper wrote: > PS let=E2=80=99s call the discussion mostly closed and start working on p= rototypes instead of beating a dead horse further. That's precisely how ideas that most people disagree with get *pushed* through by evangelists with confirmation bias! Like someone said earlier in the discussion: does Rust add anything? The answer is a resounding NO, save for bloat. --=20 Igor M.