From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 4 21:37:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2D0CE96 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kozubik.com (kozubik.com [216.218.240.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C2532789 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kozubik.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kozubik.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s54Lb4Ab006064; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by kozubik.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id s54LaxYj006061; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 14:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 14:36:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozubik To: Kamil Choudhury Subject: RE: There is currently no usable release of FreeBSD. - denouement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 21:37:07 -0000 Friends, On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Kamil Choudhury wrote: > Use the branch which offers (for you) the best balance of features > and "support time remaining". Legacy isn't the same as unusable. Of course I'm not actually asking for suggestions as to which release to use - we're[1] heavily invested in FreeBSD and spend a lot of time and money on testing and due diligence for what is the sole OS platform for our core businesses. Most of you recognized this as a continuation of the long (and productive, I thought) conversation from March 2012 titled "FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle". So I was curious where we were at 2.5 years later. And that's what lead to my rhetorical question: If you're not a hobbyist, and you need to go into production and withstand stakeholder scrutiny, what do you do with a single x.0 release and two legacy releases ? My favorite response was "use stable" which, in two words, tells you *everything you need to know* about FreeBSD development. John Kozubik [1] rsync.net