From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 27 16:04:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DB016A4BF for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dglawrence.com (12-224-163-157.client.attbi.com [12.224.163.157]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A0943FAF for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:04:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@nexus.dglawrence.com) Received: from nexus.dglawrence.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dglawrence.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h7RN5tnV004265; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@nexus.dglawrence.com) Received: (from dg@localhost) by nexus.dglawrence.com (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id h7RN5sLD004264; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:05:53 -0700 From: "David G. Lawrence" To: Mike Tancsa Message-ID: <20030827230553.GO61917@nexus.dglawrence.com> References: <20030827133126.D4269@odysseus.silby.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030826212312.07923ea0@209.112.4.2> <5.2.0.9.0.20030826212312.07923ea0@209.112.4.2> <20030827122327.GA17847@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20030827133126.D4269@odysseus.silby.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030827164613.05cdf718@209.112.4.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030827164613.05cdf718@209.112.4.2> cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ok, are all the panics fixed now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:04:11 -0000 > At 11:42 PM 27/08/2003 +0400, Maxim Konovalov wrote: > > >It's simple: we need to backout all these untested MFCs. > > I dont think people throw in untested MFCs into STABLE. They do their best > effort and with that, there will still be some bugs. Its that simple. Well, we all have different definitions for 'testing'. To me, 'tesing' is something that takes anywhere from several weeks to several months to do and often involves hundreds of machines, configurations, and load mixes. Perhaps to some others, 'testing' means that the code compiles and the system boots up without panicing. For -current, perhaps the fast-and-loose definition is appropriate. For -stable that is nearing a 'x.9' release, I think my definition (very conservative) should be the standard. By that definition, the PAE changes should be promptly removed (and should have been when the first signs of trouble showed up). -DG David G. Lawrence Download Technologies, Inc. - http://www.downloadtech.com - (866) 399 8500 TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com - (888) 346 7175 The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Pave the road of life with opportunities.