From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Nov 12 02:04:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD075112D26A for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:04:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterich.joh@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe36.google.com (mail-vs1-xe36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE0F079170; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:04:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterich.joh@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe36.google.com with SMTP id x64so4210348vsa.5; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:04:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dI6ypm6bbZdoSamBSVmDHiEZVFgACvExb0mPhLgbocE=; b=un/ub7Mg4Io7/pSp/k9yQGe6spVF6ZuUNgznzRMTRPTrCyGy2DrSKFlSUgcnOlwNrB BrHUk4aixnkClQi7oWPvqub+5yUKXyI6DBu+EKwSlsPru2v9qpXVhVyFlG43PC8OgUMq XW7FZ4t/hoCKp/8cDc1EfZmfwsxNpWL3sFte1o01TaCXm7UT5l5mEtPPVN6hSanyGkc1 rgDGCOJrMPaHJB9TCexI7/GAOuDSmK1UH0PoZhSoLqNOKPT2rD/fzOiO1rWE2CUPRvaS OFQUcZPh9SaXEFVRQap24IsL17BI4YQJDnsiDTCm47Jleq6O1LXal3FXksIFBYxJ7qgm sijQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dI6ypm6bbZdoSamBSVmDHiEZVFgACvExb0mPhLgbocE=; b=S+0TBtK1qUlDZfxnwXRDKbAD0aDFDF3Ew7XbqqKWRyndlYcbF8qm2H7q47BOUu31We O1hC+c+NfT9Ncz4Sgfu6ZOS/OM7p9YFNfUCQrR4qSSsBHEK+hex7HRhol+3GjpToIrfz kxbItEpIihK0eqI/vrCpjyr0EV7m3WzrD21sJLs/Fffs5QzFSSxld9zyfcrRKHAm0SQz PrflnOm1/d0A6bD9flLoE26WU7EAyQjuhrtOr+J03x70HYhdtxGmhbgmYo1nOCe33YG5 6W8iiSaSBM3bFTwwNUSgUN4/n9gmADKIPL6TrceS/qdqqJ0AdCksz808HOarNL7KDhca pVLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLxRTfqpU/yvuJKO3wijPJfdo7vWk+I1H+R4Dmc96OhxdcAHIk3 3AFCkF4ir5rqM5Fb/9dEdA414Mr6ovS0olDxplvj1A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5dlCegPMiPzqrbXwcFeQs4Vx3UXoZ8VJwAp0AvQ+6a+3eBSyZrZn1m8nwEsChDUximl1/wMzTu+8OTR2p8hK80= X-Received: by 2002:a67:2584:: with SMTP id l126mr7511551vsl.153.1541988250391; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:04:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <188F89D2-16A1-4483-AD38-CD346C1BBE0D.1@aspmx1.migadu.com> <1541958847.1699.1@smtp.migadu.com> In-Reply-To: From: Johannes Dieterich Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:03:54 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Graphics open-source-friendliness, AMD Ryzen vs. Intel To: johalun0@gmail.com Cc: Allan Jude , freebsd-current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DE0F079170 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.85 / 200.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.97)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.82), asn: 15169(-1.92), country: US(-0.09)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.871,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:04:13 -0000 On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:48 PM Johannes Lundberg wrote: > > I have an AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (with Vega graphics) and it panics all the time > with references to various memory access errors (use after free among > other). > > Ubuntu is also unstable on this machine but Windows 10 works well after a > windows update (I had to reinstall the previous motherboard with older cpu > to be able to run Windows update without crash...) > > From my experience, stay away from this CPU. To put this a little into perspective: the R3 2200G is part of the most recent AMD APU generation and contains the most recent Vega graphics IP ("Vega 8"). It was officially released only in February of this year. The most recent DRM in ports is 4.16, which itself was released only in April. Problems with the 2200G on "older" Linux releases are unfortunately well known. However, kernel 4.18 with latest firmwares and BIOSs is documented to be stable on this platform (see phoronix, Ubuntu 18.10 "benchmark"). Johannes > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 18:57 Allan Jude wrote: > > > On 2018-11-11 12:54, Greg V wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Thomas Mueller > > > wrote: > > >> I may need to buy parts for a new computer because of malfunctions on > > >> current motherboard and CPU (Intel Sandy Bridge dating to May 2011). > > >> > > >> Question is whether I am better off, regarding > > >> open-source-friendliness of graphics chips for running Xorg, with AMD > > >> Ryzen or the newer Intel chipsets. I know to avoid NVIDIA. > > > > > > > My FreeBSD workstation use an nVidia Quadro K1200 and it works very well > > under FreeBSD with the nVidia kernel driver from ports. > > > > > Both are great for open source friendliness in general. > > > > > > Onboard Vega GPUs on the Ryzen APUs should work fine on FreeBSD with > > > kms-drm 4.16. > > > > > > If you're looking for high performance though, don't get an APU, get an > > > 8-core (R7 2700X/2700/1700X/1700) and a discrete GPU (Radeon RX > > > 550/560/570/580 depending on how much you care about graphics > > performance). > > > > > >> I am inclined to run FreeBSD-current and build Xorg from FreeBSD ports. > > >> > > >> When I boot into UEFI setup, I see the CPU temperature is or quickly > > >> goes to 97 C and stays there. > > >> > > >> I tried replacing the thermal paste and installing a new case fan to > > >> replace one that had quit, but CPU temperature still shows and stays > > >> at 97 C. > > >> > > >> Now I have a replacement Arctic Cooler heatsink and fan on order to > > >> replace the original Intel heatsink and fan whose connectors were > > >> damaged in taking out and struggling to get back in. > > >> > > >> Currently, I boot into UEFI Setup, but after a couple minutes, the > > >> computer powers off and then tries to power back on, then off again a > > >> few seconds later, until I end the loop by turning off the power > > >> supply switch. I can guess CPU overheating. > > > > > > Yeah, a new CPU cooler should help. > > > > > >> I could transplant the current hard drive (Seagate NAS 4 TB) to get a > > >> quicker start software-wise. > > > > > > An SSD might provide a quicker start too ;) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > -- > > Allan Jude > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"