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Grimes'" Cc: =?iso-8859-2?Q?'Goran_Meki=E6'?= , "'Emmanuel Vadot'" , "'FreeBSD Stable'" , "'FreeBSD Current'" , , , , References: <201904291441.x3TEfMid072751@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <201904291441.x3TEfMid072751@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: RE: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:50:51 -0400 Message-ID: <053101d4fe9a$f1152320$d33f6960$@ixsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQM63uti6cm6tb0qpYZSIKL3MVPss6OHdbsQ Content-Language: en-us X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E2D1B8650C X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ixsystems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=GVbnM8jW; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ixsystems.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kris@ixsystems.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kris@ixsystems.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.14 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ixsystems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.64)[ip: (-7.73), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.17), asn: 15169(-2.24), country: US(-0.06)]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ixsystems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT3.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.c.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ixsystems.com,none]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:50:55 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney W. Grimes > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:41 AM > To: Kris Moore > Cc: Rodney W. Grimes ; Goran Meki=E6 > ; Emmanuel Vadot ; FreeBSD > Stable ; FreeBSD Current current@freebsd.org>; freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebsd- > pkg@freebsd.org; freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; = freebsd-ports@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base >=20 > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:09 AM Rodney W. Grimes < > > freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Correct, this is ZFS only. And it's something we're using = specific > > > > to > > > FreeNAS / TrueOS, which is why I didn't originally mention it as > > > apart of our CFT. > > > > > > Then please it is "CFT: FreeNAS/TrueOS pkg base, ZFS only", = calling > > > this FreeBSD pkg base when it is not was wrong, and miss leading. > > > > > > > Sorry, I disagree. > Which is fine. >=20 > > This pkg base is independent of the ZFS tool we're using > > to wrangle boot-environments. Hence why it wasn't mentioned in the = CFT. > > These base packages work the same as existing in-tree pkg base on = UFS, no > > difference. If anything are probably safer due to being able to = update all > > of userland in single extract operation, so you don't have out of = order > > extraction of libc or some such. >=20 > You missed the major string change and focused on the edge, > No comment on calling iXsystems :stuff: FreeBSD instead of > FreeNAS/TrueOS? >=20 > That was the major point of my statement, your miss leading the user > community, you yourself said this would never be imported into FreeBSD > base, so I see no reason that it should be called "FreeBSD package = Base", > as it is not, that is a different project. >=20 > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org I think somehow you've missed the entire point here. This is being = brought forth as a FreeBSD CFT in the hopes of upstream adoption. No misleading = here whatsoever. The only thing that I wouldn't expect to be imported into = base was this external tool we use on FreeNAS/TrueOS to handle our specific use-case of ZFS only. Total strawman here. Seriously, suggest you bother looking at it and reading further to get = the full context. If anything this is far less invasive since it doesn't = require lots of hacking on base, and can even be used to package old versions of FreeBSD if desired. The only thing I changed to make these images was a patch to bsdinstall to replace dist-file extraction with 'pkg install userland kernel pkg ...'.