Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:53:40 -0400 From: Jerry <jerry@seibercom.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TL-WN722N support on FreeBSD. Message-ID: <20140827115340.23278102@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20140827112209.89d0bbdb.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <C18F5819-A884-4A86-9FBA-FF7CEFF70695@gmail.com> <53FC60AB.1060805@qeng-ho.org> <1EE2934C-DA78-451F-B86A-93A9C55B9C56@gmail.com> <CADGo8CWQ=D32oYAjx_GxWUvmdeR2r8Qmp2wecD=dDaL3r2ERig@mail.gmail.com> <2ACC59D6-251B-4FF7-A275-C81408D6BB48@gmail.com> <1409070456.4218.7.camel@lenzinote.lenzicasa> <5811EA5F-C819-4D1B-8D39-7C47E46FFF05@gmail.com> <20140827112209.89d0bbdb.freebsd@edvax.de>
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--Sig_/UiIAFePS1YLRRbFKwaHLSa6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:22:09 +0200, Polytropon stated: >On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:39:56 +0300, atar wrote: >> So you give me additional reason to stay with Linux and >> not to migrate to FreeBSD since even a basic wireless >> adapter which came with your Sony isn't supported by >> FreeBSD. To be honest, I don't know if your Sony wireless >> adapter is supported by Linux, but in general, I think >> linux is more flexible and supports more devices than >> FreeBSD (and more than all the rest of *BSD variations). > >Of course this is a problem in FreeBSD, and it's a known >problem. There is a workaround (which isn't really helpful >afterwards, but beforehand): First check if the hardware >is supported, then buy it. Especially wireless devices >are subject to the tricky game of "driver lottery". You >will have more luck with Linux in this regards, as it >covers hardware with working drivers more than any other >operating system does, and usually, it keeps the support >for devices that "Windows" has long dropped (if you happen >to insist on using specific hardware, such as video grabber >cards, DVB sticks, sound cards or other "non-mainstream" >equipment). > >Up to this point, I was always lucky with the hardware I >purchased: FreeBSD's support for WLAN components was >excellent. I've been using IBM / Lenovo, Dell, Siemens- >Fijutsu and Sony laptop hardware, and FreeBSD did not >have any trouble getting the buildin hardware to work. >Still there are models which cause problems: Some of >them use chipsets not supported by current drivers, others >just use f*cked up ACPI implementations, and others >delegate hardware functionality to proprietary drivers >which make the actual devices "appear" and "work", and >as you will guess, those are only available for specific >versions of "Windows". > >It depends on you if you want to: > > a) purchase other hardware to replace what is > not supported, > > b) relapse to using Linux which supports your > hardware, or > > c) accept that it's not working and make a better > choice next time you buy something. :-) > >Many manufacturers are already regognizing that "Windows" >usage is decreasing, and Linux support becomes more and >more important to sell a device. They provide drivers or >build their devices so they support existing standards. >But of course hardware is evolving, and the OS needs to >provide the interfaces for the new. FreeBSD isn't exactly >blazing fast in this regards, but to me, never buying "the >newest" for having "the newest" for few weeks (instead >buying "good" in order to have "good" for several years), >it doesn't really matter, so my opinion doesn't matter much. =EF=BB=BFThere is a serious flaw in your thinking Poly. It is the same flaw= , or shall we say fallacy with dealing with alcoholics or drug addicts. By accepting t= he situation, and in fact encouraging it by purchasing lessor quality or older/obsoleted hardware, you are =E2=80=9Cenabling=E2=80=9D FreeBSD to con= tinue to distribute an operating system that is subpar. You have in fact become an enabler. If FreeBSD is ever going to get its act together and become as ful= ly functional OS, people like you have to demand it stop this practice of procrastinating in the development of up-to-date drivers for the latest technology. You cannot. Although you will, blame the manufacturers. I have spoken to Brother USA and asked why they do not make a more complete set of drivers available for their product. I was told that due to the cornucopia = of flavors of *.nix, etcetera, there is no way that they could reasonably or financially support them. They choose to support the ones who offer them the most support and whose market they can reasonable be assured of reaching. Microsoft, as I was told, has a whole department that actively deals with hardware developers and works with them to develop drivers/peripherals that work on their OS. I am not aware of such an entity with FreeBSD. I remember just a few years ago, when everyone had drivers for =E2=80=9Cn= =E2=80=9D protocol wireless cards, except FreeBSD. I had a machine that had just such a card installed. I now had a choice, remove the card and use a cheap quality or = =E2=80=98G=E2=80=9D protocol card, or use another OS. You are a smart person Poly, guess which route I choose. ********************************************************************* Enabler: one that enables another to achieve an end; especially, one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by making it possible to avoid the consequences of such behavior --=20 Jerry --Sig_/UiIAFePS1YLRRbFKwaHLSa6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT/f8LAAoJEElTsHIJnX8eJpAH/2NwWInthrq7mxjgM7bL7MxA wb+pWTlpCJwYshkcRnFaH7UldSMaLse2yNZgL4e7Op1SJ7ovLmX0cn1OghUFTWep h23yUIJlEpI1UPhfjxUCC8NJCgf8zkR1qEfgMX7zAluZlmV9X4lGXlpXvDje913J LnKtomKUrVXrUzSdbMhUCZyySZdW0SLvCb16P8ByTEwt+0tHmqlRUhPv09FhMsWW v4nDT2oEWrMAPQYRq8oEDz7J6iSY9J/JEoh56K0BFJOE9zXtw8z8HO9citcp3fcG jHWxDyHzYNrDmzuiM946hs0sgKn/4b6TgihTG1ufvmmMl3f2ZiFXXjhPynvz2lw= =Pahi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/UiIAFePS1YLRRbFKwaHLSa6--
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