From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Sep 20 12:52:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57049E0D44E for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:52:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422876A649 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:52:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 41752E0D44D; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4105FE0D44C for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:52:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from mx0.gid.co.uk (mx0.gid.co.uk [194.32.164.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC3026A647 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:52:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.0.135] (197-234-181-199.cipherwave.net [197.234.181.199] (may be forged)) by mx0.gid.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id v8KCoJAb003153; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:50:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: Removal of catman from base From: Bob Bishop In-Reply-To: <78909.1505251253@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:50:16 +0100 Cc: Gordon Tetlow , current@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20170912184200.GD99742@gmail.com> <77524.1505242222@critter.freebsd.dk> <78909.1505251253@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Lyndon Nerenberg , Poul-Henning Kamp X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:52:05 -0000 Hi, > On 12 Sep 2017, at 22:20, Poul-Henning Kamp = wrote: >=20 > -------- > In message , Lyndon = Nerenberg writes: >>> That was actually not why catman was brought into the world: = ATT/USL >>> thought text-processing was The Goods so they unbundled it base SVR >>> and invented catman to make up for the missing nroff. >>=20 >> Not quite. They (AT&T) sold the rights to sell typeset manuals to = some=20 >> publishing house (I forget which), at which point they stopped = shipping=20 >> the *roff source for the manpages on the source tapes. Instead, you = got=20 >> pre-formatted "cat" pages on the source tape. I think this happened=20= >> starting with SVR3. That is correct. We wrote some excruciatingly ugly scripts that mostly = reconstructed the *roff source from the formatted pages. > I'm pretty sure that SVR1 had catman and roff was an extra and = somewhat > pricey software package. That is also correct: by SVR5 that had become the Documenter=E2=80=99s = Workbench (DWB). > --=20 > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe =20 > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by = incompetence. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 -- Bob Bishop rb@gid.co.uk