From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Sun Sep 27 12:42:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EA29CF502 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 12:42:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from slim.berklix.org (slim.berklix.org [94.185.90.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 335FA656; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 12:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5083C377.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.131.195.119]) (authenticated bits=128) by slim.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8RCgIDv041136; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 14:42:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t8RCg3Uq013729; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 14:42:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t8RCfjkm056054; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 14:41:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201509271241.t8RCfjkm056054@fire.js.berklix.net> To: David Wolfskill Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stale list bounce test (fwd) From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Sun, 27 Sep 2015 04:07:49 -0700." <20150927110749.GL1344@albert.catwhisker.org> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 14:41:45 +0200 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 12:42:18 -0000 restored Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org David Wolfskill wrote: > On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 11:48:44AM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Hi postmaster@freebsd.org, > > cc ctm-users@freebsd.org > > This is 4th wave of noise devnull keeps spamming us with. > > Today another 10 "apologies" to delete, one for each CTM feed. > > A single bounce test finds bad delivery addresses. =20 > > Can you please stop whoever ? > > .... > > No, we cannot. > > As stated, it was an attempt to identify "subscribers" that were not > receiving email via the list -- and in the process, also find out if the > lists in question were actually being used: It is not immediately > obvious that there is much call for CTM updates to FreeBSD 8,x, for > example. OK, (& BTW I've said before to Stephen: scrap src-4 any time you want), But why so Many tests ?! A single bounce test suffices on rarely broadcast lists (regardless whether freebsd or other) to detect stale failing addresses. eg in case of freebsd perhaps on src-[4-8], not src-9 10 src-cur ports svn. Exceptionaly a 2nd test if error reports missed on 1st test. But so many ?! Repeat broadcasts don't detect black hole silent addresses, Nor recipients who silently apply ctms, (perhaps via procmail, other, or manually. How does a barrage of repeats detect active willing recipients ? Do you have some magic mechanism it feeds back to ? How does it work ? Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix C Sys Eng Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Reply after previous text, like a play - Not before, which loses context. Indent previous text with "> " Insert new lines before 80 chars. Send plain text, Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not ms.doc, Not base64.