From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 9 19:57:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10136 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.16.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10130; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:57:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (kosnax-42.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.64.46]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id CAA27782; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:56:58 GMT Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23388; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:56:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Frank Pawlak Message-Id: <199804100256.VAA23388@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:56:50 -0500 (CDT) To: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: toor@dyson.iquest.net, brett@lariat.org, mike@smith.net.au, dshanes@personalogic.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[2]: Fw: Your Article "Freeware: The Heart & Soul of the Internet" In-Reply-To: <199804100101.SAA14824@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.2-971023-FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jonathan M. Bresler" wrote: > John S. Dyson wrote: > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > If there is not an exceedingly strong effort to promote FreeBSD as > superior > > > to Linux, Linux -- which has a larger installed base -- will be > catapulted > > > to a dominant position while FreeBSD will see no noticeable > increase in > > > its user base or its popularity. FreeBSD needs to have a few > "zealots" and > > > "evangelists" -- just as Linux does -- to stubbornly insist that > > > FreeBSD be included in every forum where Linux is discussed. It > also needs > > > some calmer proponents to take up the slack. Perhaps a new slot on > the > > > core team -- "Chief Evangelist" -- is in order. > > > > > The problem with FreeBSD, is that people working on FreeBSD are > generally > > older, and find evangelism to be painful. Also, people using > FreeBSD > > are busy using it, as opposed to worshipping it. > > > > How do we (really) deal with this? > > evangelism is a full-time plus overtime job > with lots of travel, lumpy beds, lousy food > and irritating people. > > you gotta be crazy and well paid to do it. > > a volunteer "Chief Evangelist" would hvae to be > indepentently weathly. > > anyone wanna volunteer? The Linux community uses add slicks and authorized re-sellers and wholsalers tp promate their product. Take a look at www.caldera.com or www.suse.com There are also numerous links to software that runs on Linux which make the numbers of user look large and indeed they have a large user base. It would be interesting to see some estimate of the FreeBSD user base with some seperation of usage on servers vs desktops. This could be a ket ingredient in getting more commercial userland stuff ported to FreeBSD. Frank . > > jmb > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message