From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 5 00:11:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC16A253 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 00:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x235.google.com (mail-qa0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5EF82431 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 00:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id k15so54568qaq.40 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:11:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=qO3jGTHF47y3aXb/QiDoF581FFR3CMqhfQprKLRzG4Y=; b=hsBLdVGec6WLKWqBT7lipiYr2WeJ1Wv+eAzp9r0lZckPs+zcyT/Gl2CSaoJCzchC6S 94uP2ih7Dg3SYUrG4Wu9M/n49aVLi6b25dgsVdApKCJswshfyKOfjs3gwLUanZZUX8Ta qgdtuHz1+Xphj7SFGTm4BFOxhnqhKXGtZgS5A= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=qO3jGTHF47y3aXb/QiDoF581FFR3CMqhfQprKLRzG4Y=; b=QiPGt8aPTLMXEZcNI7eiEhQWuBS6auTnclvXT2UsQNxEy0vluO61jr/sFJKIhmBnqO 2P/FFQrpIsk7Xf4ZKkiPa1jZuUNz9Fs7MtanWl0ROPFz2oZCHUHjp42leR8mUveZv8HA RKS4GXZUNffE9fw9H0sRce+ynDhirQwA3OJg0IgB+KISjkKWMcAzxZmdYNqux/SBz9MR NEdzudj69Gdq5erolIIH+rAnSLigcb631ELxmfY+L4lbi/XSwEU3cc0SAStBh9saP9cQ kHNpWkAuLmmrRwj+mlZNSnmg/CFGvyOkUfBdPhBmri1rQeMCuGNJXEFLmZBoc5Z9YOcN WJ+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk1Kpd5Q4FYKwFjhDkKz3OtPb7fZU/glc1lXffEdvZHoiA134LSEcKoReqCPf2X4aW24sG0 X-Received: by 10.140.47.18 with SMTP id l18mr74576958qga.9.1401927094507; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:11:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.96.222.131 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 17:11:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <538F818B.8060408@freebsd.org> References: <332D72DF-2225-40E2-B246-0786181AAB51@tony.li> <538F5FB5.9060008@FreeBSD.org> <662C363E-A16E-48B2-9FBF-D2D4AB81733C@dataix.net> <538F70A8.4060904@FreeBSD.org> <538F747C.7010901@vangyzen.net> <538F818B.8060408@freebsd.org> From: Eitan Adler Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 17:11:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Legacy" Release Terminology [was: There is currently no usable release of FreeBSD.] To: Allan Jude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 00:11:36 -0000 On 4 June 2014 13:28, Allan Jude wrote: > On 2014-06-04 15:33, Eric van Gyzen wrote: >> On 06/04/2014 14:16, Jonathan Anderson wrote: >>> Jason Hellenthal wrote: >>>> Legacy . . . >>>> /adjective/ >>>> COMPUTING >>>> ** >>>> >>>> 1. >>>> *1*. >>>> denoting software or hardware that has been superseded but is >>>> difficult to replace because of its wide use. >>>> >>>> >>>> What about that says unsupported ? >>> >>> >>> Sure, you're right about the dictionary definition, but in some usage >>> (including among certain folks who build, package and use a popular >>> open-source alternative to FreeBSD), people treat the word "legacy" as >>> synonymous with "obsolete". Perhaps they shouldn't, but many do, and >>> the original poster is trying to justify to the compliance-happy parts >>> of an organisation why it's ok to base a company's future on something >>> labelled as ${perceived-to-be-negative adjective}. >>> >>> So, rather than use words that are unclear (people in this >>> conversation seem to have different perspectives on them), I suggest >>> that we use unambiguous language: "branch X will be supported until >>> x/y/zz". >> >> I have long thought that "Legacy", as used on the front page of >> www.freebsd.org, was misleading. Please, let's change it. Let's call >> 8.4, 9.2, and 10.0 all "Production", because that is what they are. The >> numbers imply most of the relevant distinctions (features, maturity, >> longevity, etc.). >> >> Independently, specifying branch support dates would also be helpful, >> but let's at least improve the "legacy" terminology. >> >> Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > I have made a diff for the proposed change to the front page: > > https://phabric.freebsd.org/D175 These aren't (yet) available to the public. Maybe you should copy the diff to the list? -- Eitan Adler