From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Wed Jul 24 17:26:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1885AB2DE9 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mozolevsky@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x332.google.com (mail-ot1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::332]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27FCD682CB for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:26:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mozolevsky@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x332.google.com with SMTP id d17so48720620oth.5 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:26:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+7cJqFVXXuIZVPE9gzKykCQn/bQP1yQ0XmvanB1iNpI=; b=Ubfl7zARJTz8gMUxzxBMC34OfuG7aX7DEXSaanNvEBRBYeC+Je5ULlGZMkUvr95QfF 5kj/cwfy/CttVO6gcxM0Ncga+m/wXXG03I5TYwGAOihfSBj7Yj0NsuTXTtS17Ipm5ZLg EjCBvT/9uqEavH2nCwldSD6Dhy2hQ5fOHQFbt15rL1scsqKSC2i1mKBsvfs8WnAnuXi8 RViTrqStO45px04ThlhWBpc/Q06b9VuiGZHKS38s3/UMwogZXsLrM+80xSdqcY6IWTVW us8ytNFO4l/x6MR40S/F5/zpQ55K8mcD0zuvKoEDEb4vMHKUDQaOdqn+sHts/1K12sBS 2z8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+7cJqFVXXuIZVPE9gzKykCQn/bQP1yQ0XmvanB1iNpI=; b=p09VlB+i3UyJgR+UJrhSk+tR5cE9pJu1dP+wKbvFDg31d7p5aPlU9k2J+SFqCpCObx DUcypQLPrj4lnt6SEqIic4UmVTNk50G7CEEdHEao8bsoYuIakf8usukbHMAT0/J3gs2o bruUrK4q+vqwy5C8SxFXsopOFjKqvJWfbOAL7VVBxeoE3UPCqy1/T+9l+RVKsBl1X591 b/A7UXLOsxXdzWHCw9mhgxHEa8hzxf/JELqfW737emmPbUv63cqQk+Wr8pFT9knx62Xl ftWDhgLduyouw2zUWtru2ob6KwiW7kAJPGraYNvHDNu/Vja6eZLoFM26BOHHQvbBpAky t6aw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUIhQKI3zbLH+2YyiVp/JnDLyasxwFu9zWpG5oDmQv/NJ8L307S Ss3EiCNaI1gd0K818CsYj78O60+U6oEBNVHP07U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxPF68Wx+UteICD6sk/EAwX0d1tSDMopAIOV4ftMx6gHBuMTD378lwhA+sSRqfI4RY4eM628ieT4mFfFFJVJYI= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:30c3:: with SMTP id r3mr59382287otg.141.1563989208321; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:26:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4a:8788:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:26:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Igor Mozolevsky Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:26:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Old Stuff To: Robert Simmons Cc: "freebsd-security@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 27FCD682CB X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Ubfl7zAR; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mozolevsky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::332 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mozolevsky@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.98 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.957,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.01)[ip: (-9.47), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.09), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-security@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:26:50 -0000 On Wednesday, 24 July 2019, Robert Simmons wrote: Lolz, right? :- > I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all > of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer. Because nobody has a 32bit computer nowadays??? Similarly, you got any empirical evidence to back up the "... safer" part of your speculation? > In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp. How does the saying go, "if you think that encryption is the solution to your problem then you don't understand neither encryption nor your problem"? I would hazard a guess that over 95% of encrypted traffic needn't be encrypted at all, but no commercial interest developed "integrity over http" so we all have to suffer "encryption under http" instead. -- Igor M.