From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 18:03:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F435106564A; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@freebsd.org) Received: from av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (hen.cisco.com [64.102.19.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55868FC1D; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@freebsd.org) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from rooster.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBNHoOu9021561; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [64.102.221.97] (dhcp-64-102-221-97.cisco.com [64.102.221.97]) by rooster.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBNHoNxA012728; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:50:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <495124E0.4090108@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:50:24 -0500 From: Joe Marcus Clarke Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte References: <20081222214010.GA18389@elvis.mu.org> <20081223162336.GA77652@rink.nu> <20081223163739.GF42864@freebie.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20081223163739.GF42864@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Rink Springer , current@freebsd.org, Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: HEADSUP usb2 (usb4bsd) to become default in 2 weeks. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:03:42 -0000 Wilko Bulte wrote: > Quoting Rink Springer, who wrote on Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 05:23:36PM +0100 .. >> Hi people, >> >> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 01:40:10PM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>> We're going to usher in the New Year with a new usb stack. >>> >>> Now is the time to test, test, test. >>> >>> It is also the time to point out anything missing from usb2 that >>> is in usb1. >>> >>> In two weeks, on Jan 3rd I will switch the GENERIC kernel to use >>> usb2. >>> >>> The old usb code will remain in case there is any fallout. >>> >>> Depending on how this trial goes we will hopefully move to the new >>> stack entirely within a few weeks after bug reports start dying >>> down. >> For what it's worth, I think this is *way* too early to be even >> considering this; there is still massive fundamental work being >> performed on the new stack (which reminds me that I really should get >> back to my permission patches soonish), but that is not the only >> issue. > > Guys.. is there any reason why this needs to be rushed in over the Christmas > break? Getting it in the tree, fine. But making USB2 the default so > quickly does not appear to be proper engineering procedure. > > The days that CURRENT was broken for long periods is not something the > project wants to get back to. The discussions sofar do not make me believe > this will be a smooth transition, it seems it will need testing and fixing for > a reasonable (considerable?) period. Agreed. For desktop users, sysutils/hal is currently broken with usb2. It's on my todo list to fix, but I may not have time to do it in the next two weeks. I know this may seem minor considering other issues, but people used to automounting USB media in their desktop won't think so. Joe -- Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome