From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 29 4:29:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B5D37B426; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 7FF0DCF; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:29:40 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Nyteckjobs@aol.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, tedm@toybox.placo.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <20011129122940.B19084@tao.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Josef Karthauser , Nyteckjobs@aol.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, tedm@toybox.placo.com References: <14e.4d05ff7.29371325@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14e.4d05ff7.29371325@aol.com>; from Nyteckjobs@aol.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:27:17PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Nyteckjobs@aol.com wrote: >=20 > The concept that "netgraph hooks" are a "leg up" on say, ETs drivers that= =20 > have integrated bandwidth management and prioritization, WAN bridging=20 > support, load balancing and a probably 25% performance advantage is a bit= =20 > entertaining. Unless you need to do some convoluted encapsulation netgrap= h=20 > is, aside from being appallingly non-standard to anything else in the mar= ket,=20 > not much of an "advantage", and its a poster child for the trade off of= =20 > "flexibility" versus performance. >=20 > Lets face it. If you were going to sit down and design an interface for f= rame=20 > relay, multi-protocol support, etc, you'd have to be smoking something pr= etty=20 > strong to come up with netgraph. But its free and there is source, so it= =20 > must be great! Please please please! Have you read the source code for netgraph? It may be unintentional on your part but the above paragraph reads like you've made an assumption about what netgraph is and how it works and have decided that it's inefficient and therefore of not much use. Netgraph is great, but not because it's free and there is source. It's great because conceptually it's like lego, and in effeciency it's very quick. Netgraph hooks in device drivers are extremely useful. Who's smoking anything? You or me? Joe --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwGKjMACgkQXVIcjOaxUBYUQQCeP80pu7YNirFKzuNcaMfyr6Dw Y7EAn3oWtYHhCirSZhg117KZqyslCCp+ =pNgX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message