From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Feb 17 21: 9:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE2537B400 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I59Ji79757; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:09:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1I59HL61700; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:09:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:09:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <20020217.210906.106568738.imp@village.org> To: david@catwhisker.org, mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NEWCARD to become the default From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200202180454.g1I4sf959565@bunrab.catwhisker.org> References: <20020217.204859.08393989.imp@village.org> <200202180454.g1I4sf959565@bunrab.catwhisker.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message: <200202180454.g1I4sf959565@bunrab.catwhisker.org> David Wolfskill writes: : >From: "M. Warner Losh" : >I plan on making NEWCARD the default in -current on or about March : >1st, deleteing NEWCARD config file and creating an OLDCARD config : >file (ditto hints). Please comment on this plan. : : Might be appropriate to accompany the action with a bit of prose that : clearly states what functionality would be lost (and perhaps provides a : hint or two as to plausible circumventions). ... : Might be good to mention what functionality is to be gained, for : balance. :-) I hope that David doesn't mind my replying to his private mail in public. My appologies if he does. NEWCARD functionality loss: 1) Can't use ISA interrupts 2) ISA attachment currently busted (I'm working on it) 3) PCI I/O mapped cards busted (CLPD 6729) 4) No pccardd, so you must configure devices by hand. 5) Driver support compiled into kernel rather than in /etc/pccard.conf (this could also be seen as a plus). 6) sio can't eject at the moment 7) ata seems busted (but might be busted in OLDCARD too) 8) Can't force ISA interrupts for 16-bit cards NEWCARD adds: 1) Support for 32-bit cardbus cards 2) Automatically configures I/O and memory addresses. 3) Must *FASTER* configure times (down from 30 seconds to under a second). 4) Multi-function 16-bit pccards more supported. This means that many ethernet + modem cards work (but not all). 5) Ability for drivers to read the CIS (a little limited right now). Why now: The Release Engineering team floated the idea of doing a FreeBSD 5.0-DEVELOPER-PREVIEW-1 on April 1st or so and this will give us a month of more intensive testing before that. There will be a DP-2 release in June. June seems too long to wait. Comments? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message