Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Salvo Bartolotta <bartequi@neomedia.it> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/29562: hier(7) still not very helpfull/exact Message-ID: <200108091930.f79JUT284795@freefall.freebsd.org>
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From: Salvo Bartolotta <bartequi@neomedia.it>
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Subject: Re: docs/29562: hier(7) still not very helpfull/exact
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:25:51 +0200 (CEST)
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>>Number: 29562
>>Category: docs
>>Synopsis: hier(7) still not very helpfull/exact
>>Confidential: no
>>Severity: non-critical
>>Priority: medium
>>Responsible: freebsd-doc
>>State: open
>>Quarter:
>>Keywords:
>>Date-Required:
>>Class: wish
>>Submitter-Id: current-users
>>Arrival-Date: Thu Aug 09 05:00:07 PDT 2001
>>Closed-Date:
>>Last-Modified:
>>Originator: Steven Enderle
>>Release: 4.3-STABLE
>>Organization:
>mdn Hübner GmbH
>>Environment:
>-
>>Description:
>1) /usr/ is still discribed as "contains the majority of user utilities
and
>applications"
> i think this will mislead to think about "usr" as a short for
"user"
> Maybe the manpage should (IMHO) more correctly state "usr" as
> a short for "Unix System Resources".
Agnosco veteris vestigia flammae...
In the past, this point was discussed on the -doc mailing list (eg
"docs/21057: Little correction of hier(8)", which you is also listed
in your google search.
We had come to the conclusion that /usr probably derived from "USeR",
and was also later interpreted as Unix System Resources; no (conclusive)
evidence was then found; besides, this seemed irrelevant to the hier(7) man
page.
BTW (Ich lese und verstehe auch ein wenig Deutch), at
http://www.netzmafia.de/skripten/unix/unix10.html#10.1, in
prof. Plate's bibliography (which offers a limited selection of Unix books, a
slighly Linux-centric one, for that matter), I can't find Kernighan & Pike's
"The Unix Programming Environment"; the other links don't appear to provide a
definitive answer.
> see google-> 'usr "Unix System Resources"'
>>http://www.google.de/search?q=usr+%22Unix+System+Resources%22&hl=de&safe=off
>
>2) it is unclear to me where to store special application data of my
> servers.
> in freebsd, it seems to be *scattered* around in the filesystem.
> ---
> examples: commonly i would guess to store, as the manpage states,
> "multi-purpose log, temporary, _transient_, and spool files" in
/var.
> Although there is /usr/ports (which changes often in my point of
> view), /usr/obj and /usr/src, which seem to be very dynamic also.
> ok, someone could say its static if you don't cvsup it, but i
> ports (say, apache, samba, postgresql), which all save highly
> changing data under /usr/local.
> ---
> But to get at the point: Where should i save my special application
> data, such as big samba shares, data of custom applications, etc?
> Should i put it in /var/myapp, or simply in /myapp? /usr/myapp
> would also come into question ..... or /home/myapp which i see some-
> times also. Is there a standart defined?
> I think thats not as much as a *bug* as a problem between keyboard and
> chair on my side, but i guess it would be helpfull to some people to
> state something like 'thats the place where your data fits in' in
> the hier(7) manpage.
> I am waiting for your comments
You may wish to search for "/usr/local abuse" and similar threads. You
may find them interesting/instructive/useful. The FreeSD archives ARE a great
resource. Sometimes, I think their wisdom should be condensed into a book. :-)
BTW, followups should go to -chat.
-- Salvo
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