From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 1 17:19:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA4D16A417 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB0743CA8 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:18:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin05-en2 [10.13.10.150]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout13/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kB1HIkjF029035; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin05/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kB1HIiNm011596; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:18:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20061201120708.D81433@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> References: <4563126E.2060904@math.missouri.edu> <20061129143330.T82233@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <20061130205045.A96066@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <3BC50132-2DD9-4FAA-8320-C945DF4BFD48@mac.com> <20061201120708.D81433@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:18:42 -0800 To: Dmitry Pryanishnikov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Cc: FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: sshd. "UseDNS no" ignored? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:19:10 -0000 On Dec 1, 2006, at 2:14 AM, Dmitry Pryanishnikov wrote: > Hello! Hi... > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Chuck Swiger wrote: >>> http://www.ssh.com/support/downloads/secureshellserver/non- >>> commercial.html >>> contains both download URLs and "Non-commercial license agreement >>> for SSH Secure Shell for Servers" link. >> >> Right, and the license restriction to non-commercial use only >> means that SSH Secure Shell is not OSI Open Source, because it >> violates OSD #6: > > And I didn't say that it's the OSI Open Source. I wrote "(which > is also open-source)", not even "Open Source". So I didn't mean > that you can just copy&paste their sources into OpenSSH. [ ... ] I quoted what you said in my prior message; you need not remind me of your specific words. Claiming to have an "open source" licensed codebase isn't of much value if that codebase cannot be used freely. For example, if someone wrote some software, and put it under the BSD license, yet only released binaries without ever releasing the source code, claiming that the software is under an "open source" license may be technically true, but in practice is disingenuous and not especially useful. I'd really prefer that people not claim a license is "open source" without submitting their license for consideration to the OSI board via the mailing list, and having it be approved. While one may choose not to follow the process, doing so means that you are choosing not to work with people who are pretty good at evaluating licenses and making sure that those licenses are well-drafted, legally consistent, and support the goals of the open source community. -- -Chuck