From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 19 05:08:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FFE930A for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 05:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm24-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6065192E for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 05:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.39.60.176] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2013 05:06:25 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.117] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2013 05:06:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2013 05:06:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1387429585; bh=8WrwrZhyL+WFtfNeQG7gjNwHO3hqhuiL2kmk1tqoc0o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:Date:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject; b=jgzTV8TJOrei9hlPF6L7de+JUdJjPhbTF7+ypHsHxDp2WCMNnaH0FTSyOlYYxU1LBjxlJyvM76qZnqR4Luvt0LOya3nyJDfpF9xkt4haL9bvyu10mxW/z5emjfy+YzuKUyMezEWEP/qbsENiCZYHLyUW6ZGMloNWb1pqHQe00CM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 307860.67121.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <307860.67121.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 21:06:25 -0800 (PST) X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: iXyKs_wVM1l1r0Cbe7WHV6EkbuZD1cH99PUmvKHZwIgVAN3 .bTBLtc4UnJ.1UdoqcH3Ig9V6oFtMAViIPgBlSIkvQiu0qHWNkWK2LIx0xrI 4yDXvej4JVYEnX8dd5LnZKoAttIVs3qCRvHIunCniVTBaT.BLxu41alkZvqb RTqtbpqwFNQ7fLn7vyYej9Vx4j5xLoBqhptp2gBWtTFhVLXIkri76INlWrAy L1o1CysmDHRMtB8MHQTAXcgi354daAF_GV_EuklUaNAe6OW7._kJ_BtwnQHy l2xS4B3PEiiV4UYgnh9KZhY1__EMXfS7fqxxC3CVcEuDrvejKpkgrORzrT0r nzW1zLChf3T7rGkzth9ZecxPrxPwQeL6gSF0_4s3kCPuuoxGanR1wXmH27uq BYanUwpR0qVYoEdj6G9L4R5L0VWa771ZbsarHh4u1HwG7tbNuao8pKdJnoM4 CZUiqmfw5UlII6eR4afMIs_MHQVV3K2.aaWZU2xJ2NkTJ428AzaSgUMTKU2v m9DvQcCumOMANxIQwrlP.BcMPt.PgSrjDhimgtiEioT8YjtRuO0H3wogRpV2 YNI84oKAdYnthZRAIvoY- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- X-Rocket-Received: from localhost (mueller6724@96.28.178.143 with plain [67.195.15.66]) by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2013 21:06:25 -0800 PST From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 05:08:46 -0000 There are many messages on this thread, and I don't know which or what to quote, but I agree on send-pr being user-unfriendly. One problem is setting up mail with outbound SMTP server: sendmail is too mysterious/mystic to be useful. I think most email clients set up to use POP3 and SMTP server without using sendmail at all. I use mpop and msmtp. Many users with problems might be just getting started on FreeBSD installation and not have graphic interface yet and might thereby not be able to use WWW interface (lynx, maybe?). I have that problem on FreeBSD 10-stable and HEAD. Or maybe they have X installed but it won't start or is crippled. I have that problem on NetBSD. It helps if one also has NetBSD installed, and/or Linux with a pkgsrc-like or FreeBSD-ports-like package manager (such as Gentoo with portage) so as to compare notes/problems/options when something goes wrong, as happened to me recently with devel/subversion. This is not to bad-mouth FreeBSD, just to have a model for comparison, and more help than I've got so far from this list. Primary reason why I built devel/subversion on my USB stick installation of NetBSD-current amd64 was that re(4) driver works in NetBSD and Linux and fails on FreeBSD, OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD latest releases. Tom