From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 04:05:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC2F106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:05:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109228FC17 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zFzp1g0051u4NiLA2G5jSs; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:05:43 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.84.87]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zG4r1g0081t3BNj8hG4rir; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:04:52 +0000 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BED9F102C36; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:05:43 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Chris Brennan Message-ID: <20110623040543.GA30691@icarus.home.lan> References: <20110622164129.GB31480@gmail.com> <20110622171324.GC31480@gmail.com> <20110622224404.GA32157@gmail.com> <20110623030856.GA32455@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110623030856.GA32455@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Stable , George Kontostanos Subject: Re: ata: SIGNATURE: ffffffff X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:05:46 -0000 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:08:57PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: > * Damien Fleuriot [2011-06-23 03:56:54 +0200]: > > > On 23 Jun 2011, at 01:02, George Kontostanos wrote: > > > > > Look, I think that this is getting personal and not constructive at all. > > > Stop mumbling unless you have something useful to add. > > > > > > > How about you do what he says and stop top posting, as per the list's policy ? > > > > Annoying pretty much everyone in the list with your stubbornness about > > top posting and your misplaced rudeness towards a helper might result > > in a drop in the number of people willing to spend time helping you. > > This will be my last post on this topic. George you are rude and I know > I will not be offering any more suggestions for you. I foresee few > others willing to help you now as well. Jeremy has willingly given you a > great amount of detail to work with and it's up to him to look past your > rude behavior and continue to help you. The difference is that I really don't care if people top-post, bottom-post, or respond in-line. I work with whatever I'm presented with. I personally use all 3 methods depending upon the context is and what mailing list rules allow/permit. But it varies per list, and some lists have zealots that absolutely despise top-posting (even if the list permits it). I fully acknowledge that the FreeBSD lists advocate and insist upon in-line or bottom-post replies, and I honour that -- as should George. But let's be reasonable: there's a problem at hand that George is needing help with. The last thing a person under duress (re: in a situation like this) needs is to be lectured about "not confirming to mailing list style". I say this knowing that conforming to said list style is important, however. I tend to keep my "style conformity" requests very terse and mentioned as one-liners at the bottom of the mail, e.g. "P.S. -- Folks here don't like top-posting, please try to avoid it if you can, thanks!". Otherwise all it does is irritate an already-irritated person who's in need of assistance. Remember: they took the time to ask for help, which in this day and age is practically a miracle. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, US | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP 4BD6C0CB |