From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 11 21:05:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA11E16A47B for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669E143D46 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:05:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (unknown [192.168.3.39]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3360A78C2A; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:04:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 6A5C41141E; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:05:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:05:05 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20061111210504.GM1006@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20061111210303.A92042@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <20061111203731.GL1006@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20061111204804.GA26170@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061111204804.GA26170@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: Dmitry Pryanishnikov , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UID/GID dynamic allocation in net/isc-dhcp3-server: why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:05:07 -0000 On 2006.11.11 15:48:05 -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 09:37:31PM +0100, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > On 2006.11.11 21:12:09 +0200, Dmitry Pryanishnikov wrote: > > > > > I don't like the current behaviour of the net/isc-dhcp3-server port > > > of creating 'dhcpd' user and group using dynamic allocation instead of > > > having static one (as specified in /usr/ports/{U,G}IDs). I like the idea > > > of [ug]id ranges, and dynamic allocation doesn't keep within this idea > > > (ids of users and daemons get mixed). Is there specific reason why there > > > is no static [ug]id for net/isc-dhcp3-server? > > > > Personally I have it precisely the other way around - I find the > > static allocations rather annoying since they are bound to collide > > with existing UID's at some point. > > > > IMO the optimal solution would be to have some magic which auto > > assigns ports/system UID/GID's from different ranges that normal > > users. > > Just so :) > > UIDs below 1000 are (and have been for many years) allocated to the > "system" (ports/src), and are not supposed to be allocated by > administrators. This at least works out of the box with some of the > tools we have for allocating new users, so are you aware of any that > don't do this? I know that people are not suposed to use < 1000 and for normal users and I havent seen any FreeBSD tools which uses low UID's for normal users by default. I don't do use low UID's new systems/sites, but sometimes you have "old" systems/sites where that is just not the case. I'm certainly not saying we should bent over backwards to support these legacy systems, I just want to point out that they do exist. I'm really not trying to start a big debate over static vs. dynamic UID/GID allocations, the original mail just made it sound to me like it was a universal truth that ports should use hardcoded UID/GID's and it was always a good thing. And the site where I have UID/GID's in the < 1000 range is called FreeBSD.org :-) (we use UID/GID's from 500 and up). -- Simon L. Nielsen