From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 12:56:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C6816A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:56:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from djv@mbnet.fi) Received: from gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004E043D48 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:56:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from djv@mbnet.fi) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (YGMYD.dsl.saunalahti.fi [85.76.232.1]) by gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26E2F146A for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:56:15 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <43467070.3010301@mbnet.fi> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:56:16 +0300 From: Tuomo Latto User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <1128676904.758.15.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1128676904.758.15.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0540-5, 06.10.2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:56:18 -0000 Miguel Saturnino wrote: >>You'd expect popups from the links on the top (they look like that >>sort of links), but none seem to appear and I've just wasted time >>waiting for them to appear. > > Why would you expect pop-up windows from the new menu? Why does this > menu looks like a menu that will pop up a new window? To me, it just > looks like a nice menu -- and I certainly don't expect pop-up windows > from it. Ah, I can see you're one of the lucky ones to have missed certain corporate sites. Most of them seem to provide a look and an interface just like this one. Mainly the idea is to make the corporation look business-like. The actual content (or whatever part of it that is of any use) is hidden somewhere beneath in order to discourage people from reading it too closely. To me, this sort of design just means "we want to be boring, not care and just be like everyone else" instead of conveying a sense of originality and passion to their work. But maybe that's just me. >>With Opera, about 40% of the screen space is left unused. >>I *liked* the quick links the old one had on the sides. > > If you try it with a screen resolution of 800x600 it will fill all the > screen ;) A fluid design can be more usable in different screen > resolutions, but when you want something prettier you need to restrain > the horizontal width to get a consistent look across different screen > resolutions. Almost every site (with fixed width) restrains the width to > less than 800 pixels so that users with an 800x600 resolution don't need > to scroll horizontally. So because other sites do it it's ok here too? And *I'm* supposed to provide constructive feedback..? > To me, the new site looks nicer than the old one, and I'm pretty sure > most people (specially and more importantly new visitors) will find it > more attractive than the old one! I agree that some people may find it more attractive. I don't. The major problem in my view is the functionality. A lot of information has been hidden, the existence of scroll bars has been forgotten and so on.. I don't want horizontal scrolling, but vertical is tried and true. It is known that it works. The expression that comes to mind is dumbing down - and not in a good way. -- Tuomo ... I'm fat. You're ugly. I can diet.