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Thu, 4 Nov 2021 10:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 14:50:53 +0000 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 14: Poll armv6 deprecated or removed Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org References: List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arm List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VNmVAG70LQrkNslD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4HlRQw0jJMz4Vqd X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm1 header.b="i3T/weuT"; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=FhiYt56R; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net has no SPF policy when checking 64.147.123.24) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.50 / 15.00]; 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Since >this particular audience has not, what may cause it to in the future? Not a >rhetorical question nor a vote for removing, this is a perennial problem in >open source and I am curious how you think this works so I can incorporate >it into my opinion. Maybe the audience isn't demanding? It doesn't mean the audience isn't there. perl and python and shell scripting work fine on these boards.=20 Issues with these things would I guess be taken up with those maintainers.= =20 The hardware is very stable. I'd expect that a lot more users might pipe=20 up if their freebsd os needed updating for some newer python only to find= =20 it couldn't be updated anymore. The first of those to pipe up i'd guess=20 be those with boards that have an internet-facing connection, as the=20 pressure to keep fully updated is a lot less within a firewalled LAN. OpenBSD immediately after install has an email on the system giving a method to send in a dmesg. I don't know if it gives them a handle on the number of users and what their hardware is, but it's better than nothing at all, which is where FreeBSD is. Although there is a port called sysutils/hw-probe, one needs to know about it first. It's not in base. For armv6 in particular though, I've not heard of any reason justifying *why* getting rid of it. At least if it's in base we can compile ports for it ourselves. mips/mips64 stopped because the working group stopped working with it, fair enough. This isn't the case with armv6. It might be helpful looking from another viewpoint - why is armv6 a tier1 architecture on NetBSD? --=20 J. --VNmVAG70LQrkNslD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAmGD80QACgkQs8o7QhFz NAXvtRAAlGjqCo2PZ5AO1zAbguY5HvD3Cwf3X1tDVztTkwOtrslKgLJHS156q1To UMYw2lCwuSJAXiyD97Kgdns+fUGcVBuMjBEWD4xin5UBqvoNzLCrk9zLJgwv2nAB /Jgdazfelln3Nx4L15da1XUwtUKelB/LjyIpbprK6TTcRekJwLPSUby6rXgtWI50 zHaJbB3xCu2ZT/jQu/ADjCvVv9LehXeVVh6Z76WQNkpNcv14LRV6iP6a2OBpzKDa cR6Z9EsSPqQY8/Dg9fSIl13/Fkv8y+Ot9cHU+W5XOIGgMYr8ZikSWp6S/PcbskI0 4FC6wHQpO/mEqVSJkDTTPhCTjrucDu7s5F08D81bi4wN8D6kblxFq6i37kq72tF2 NtVGmy4VfZ2oOvW2LhpF/bKBLeozDBdTh8YddRnuztReGhNcuCEcjqjNDmn3wa1s eK7p+ssGmFzaJfl1QyPWY0KAHjf/gWyUxcZeij2yPOVpFe8EOiOHcnQdibVZ+Rsu 2tmW4zxDgrZeHBP+k/RkMJqLVuIRT5OH8oXUl4whyVrJoMU2Yt6iMIx+udSyWy4y j1lfYT2pint5zjj3xAEdr857ypzlQ8frI/85SufQUDidUMMP885ZeidMGIdwvYia oR0oJxXri3Px1QgA2hxKBbiu4SYAMQOpdX/m9tYgcN5H36KYCI4= =UvTI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VNmVAG70LQrkNslD--