From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 9 20:04:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11519 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:04:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11493; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:03:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00452; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:03:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199804100303.WAA00452@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fw: Your Article "Freeware: The Heart & Soul of the Internet" In-Reply-To: <199804100239.VAA23365@darkstar.connect.com> from Frank Pawlak at "Apr 9, 98 09:39:30 pm" To: fpawlak@execpc.com (Frank Pawlak) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:03:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, dshanes@personalogic.com, brett@lariat.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > I was told by Eric Raymond (whom I met briefly at the Mozilla party) > > that the *BSD people were deliberately excluded because there were too > > many BSDs and they didn't want to get involved in any political issues > > over it. I find these continuous allegations of the BSD world being > > gratuitously and needlessly "split" (even though each *BSD seeks to > > fill a different niche) by the Linux community to be rather tiresome > > considering the amount of division in their own ranks and can only see > > this as something of a double standard, but I've long since given up > > on any hope of fair play from this particular crowd. > > > > This and several other incidents of a similar nature has pretty much > > convinced me that this crowd would rather prefer it if we really > > didn't exist at all and is going to essentially conduct their > > operations as if we didn't. Oh well. Perhaps it *IS* time to go on > > the PR offensive here ("Why Linux doesn't work") since playing nice > > guys hasn't appeared to have won us anything but lots of nice comments > > from folks like Marc A. at netscape to the effect that "Linux is the > > only free OS alternative." I'm getting tired of that, and if it's > > going to take "breaking ranks" with the rest of the free OS community > > to get our own message out, maybe it's time. > > > > Jordan > > Amen!! From what you say, the time appears to have come. There are > enough of them to eat us alive it we sit on our buts and just observe. > A kick ass attitude can be a very good thing if things are indeed as you > say they are. I am no politician, but that appears to be what is going > on here. In that case the more noise and fsck you the better. Stake > our ground and strut our stuff. > Frank > Each of 'em seems like a Borg nano-probe :-). (Re: StarTrek Voyager :-)). John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message