From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 10:25:56 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18329663CEC for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:25:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQVrf6znmz4ZrW for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1626344755; x=1628936755; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=DAbSF57CRuLpIOP5R1g20fPJCwJqdZGCCNz9NLeprMM=; b=kImzAJQ4vY/RbzO0rLbEFyp3rjJkjySmg+FB80q3cObPUkx8l/4C5vAXYBP2uTA1Ot2ig9L/yboEEDfKTx5PEbgTiDaosQ517WHBrbm1DL+46v0cSkXqUyJGw4oNG/Mat7b9Zp7OJuKZOK/LBM50rtPyUbNJa1pabcQFfmeIktk= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkMjAwMDkxZjFjNWYuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:25:48 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:25:47 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1m3yYt-0006ac-BJ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:25:46 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:25:46 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Roderick Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! Message-Id: <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQVrf6znmz4ZrW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=kImzAJQ4; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:25:56 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Roderick wrote: > > In my opinion it is clear that the problem is firefox. Trying to > solve it tricking the system is the false way. Not quite, the 'problem' is that the firefox package is built with pulesaudio support which by default starts the pulseaudio daemon automatically. You can build it without and the problem will go away for you. > I ask me how difficult could be to write something lightweight, but > fully compatible with chrome and mantain it compatible. The similar > question with firefox. Perhaps something scriptable. It seems that > most of the browser is the render engine. There have been a number of attempts none of them successful, that problem is hard. > But we have the same problem with a much simpler technic: email. > The only lightweight mail client I know that is usable for > actual demand is: alpine. It is developed and mantained by only > one person. Sylpheed works fine - it has failed to annoy me for many many years now. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith