From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 5 18:15:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02BF16A419 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org (tarsier.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F92913C4A3 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from localhost (tarsier.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD12EB3D28; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:15:11 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at geekcn.org Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org ([210.51.165.229]) by localhost (mail.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R3ABqSrA-PLa; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:15:06 +0800 (CST) Received: from charlie.delphij.net (71.5.7.139.ptr.us.xo.net [71.5.7.139]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03540EBB5F3; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:15:04 +0800 (CST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=default; d=delphij.net; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent: mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to: x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Y4fnBxOdW1ZN6IpU11q+t0lZ/7mdwr4NDrCyB9AvTUIqq8Zl6qgr1OYDiTwYknKU7 uFmBe5VIVXLbVlN6nqcJw== Message-ID: <472F5D9A.9050900@delphij.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:14:50 -0800 From: Xin LI Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <472D56A1.7070206@gmail.com> <200711041119.45971.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <472DD231.9030501@gmail.com> <472E67CC.9040201@delphij.net> <472E4FF0.3080801@gmail.com> <472EB211.7050001@delphij.net> <472EEADF.1000008@gmail.com> <472F466E.8050405@delphij.net> <472F5846.1020304@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <472F5846.1020304@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, d@delphij.net, Justin Hibbits Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Wiki for discussing P35/IHC9(R)/SATA issues set up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: d@delphij.net List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:15:20 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > LI Xin wrote: [...] >>>> >>> The default behaviour should be fixed if it is so easy then. >>> >> How come the number is so important for you? What do you think if you >> have to drop into single user mode and adjust fstab manually and the box >> is several thousands of miles away from you after a simple 'make >> kernel'? I think changing this behavior is a big POLA and not the right >> thing to do. > > It prevents certain automated config issues that may or may not be > issues as stuff moves more mass market... I know FreeBSD unlike Linux > has no aim to be a non-techinical enduser OS but I find my self > increasingly recommended it as the prefered UNIX desktop enviroment > because so stability and the general ease of using the ports/pkg system > compared to RPM's... sad to say many of the end-user oriented tools > occasionally make naive but critical assumptions about how a machine is > layed out. Which tool? This is apparently a bug of the tool, because the tool won't work on Solaris either. >>>> - Wrong SATA type/speed reported >>>> More information is needed if you really want to have this problem >>>> resolved, like atacontrol output, etc. >>>> >>> See the SATA ihc9 and previous threads if you really need to know all >>> the messy details but the bottom line is I have been told by several of >>> the ATA developers that since they do not have IHC9 machines P35/IHC9 >>> owners where on their own (and thus the need for informal group the wiki >>> is aimed at) >>> >> Please provide links on the wiki if you really want it to be useful. >> > I am at the end of a long day so I will dig the links up and post them > tommorow (and send you copies) > >> I think the only ich9 issue I am aware of so far is that a specific >> model of it is not recognized. This is fixed in HEAD and RELENG_7. > > If you don't have an ICH machine I invite you to get one and verify the > issues ;-) Mine has no problem, and I can not afford to buy a new piece of hardware right now. >>> 2. The answer to the type/speed type issue from the commuhity is the >>> same one I got here >>> >> Is the problem still exist for latest RELENG_7 and RELENG_6? Who can >> provide some basic testing for a new snapshot? >> > > I csup my version of -CURRENT every day (do a buildkernel anytime there > are more then 10 commulative changes): > > FreeBSD monster 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #1: Sat Nov 3 21:33:49 > EDT 2007 aryeh@monster:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MONSTER amd64 > > and do a build world about once a week plus a ground up rebuild of all > ports twice a month... in other words I am as current as anyone and the > issues still persist. PCI ID and dmesg? >> No, it does not help if that's just "it panics", "foo is not supported" >> if no detailed information is provided and we don't have our hands on >> the actual hardware. > > I have submitted the complete verbose dmesg, pciutil -l and everything > to several people and all of them have come to the conclusion that there > is no obvious smoking gone beyond ("it just doesn't work")... Thus the > comment of ICH9 owners are on their own... Next time I reboot I will > send you a copy if you really want it. Yes, please. These information is very important for knowing how to change the situation, thanks. Cheers, - -- Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHL12ahcUczkLqiksRAieBAJ0Ut4zyLxTzQD3O6xlcKI+8forcMgCgxrCM 6aqCOI+3FikoTFFG54GFzOQ= =1uQ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----