From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Mon Jul 16 00:28:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450491031DC4 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 00:28:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x229.google.com (mail-it0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F9E777388; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 00:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x229.google.com with SMTP id p17-v6so18808735itc.2; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:28:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=My0sIOfVsQtd/VBEfmzn3IFP1SkVSyNd8rhfoQ2uBBM=; b=kSmvlzNgmm1va/ouaucf8ScKPkoCqhCIQY3TWkVAtx+XZC3YFWRrIFWAEYT85VJMXR o6eEcHntg65nZLSDxsipQtN2oPxuAounx4f8tR4Fzt4SJlNglKcP1Syg2Zv5F+AMdHnZ rB3V3uB5tZbp22iW8bQVhy5PIPxqn5nFxmtRjCk35tUSKWyu/UXc8mabxvuzULxrwyQT 1HXSNgEOLdsAeSQWPe3akL8ZhTfWLL/aObf9oXhaEUIJ6FvwChEMgfxVZfpwGI/B6AAl KRpwoidWBMcamix+/CKLfUXic+FNgx8NFcALjqqjAIFL4V9M/JadixuYsjNwfQE0cIt1 1euw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=My0sIOfVsQtd/VBEfmzn3IFP1SkVSyNd8rhfoQ2uBBM=; b=be93gCsxLNxlTmNkMlwElQj4VQ8dxBZZv+DxDkEQpkgjrKWFbWKFLy025aOTWcwVOY DjBNuFYDaDr7MTpBg5v7tJLB6TptiSJ9tnwDkcc3eernUkRIiPyVlpX6Z3NUGZzpLpq/ mrxZRI0cmiAFbUeDEeGqzuEZhOM71e/mnq+hW0sPF0zsnXkDEdtYoaeDdun8cf+Mj08E Zu6mLPh+zuxYiGs5jU+0FEQS0NNzJ3XjIdSTwYSbUitmBWsXndcS0lxhED5xS88eGEBO NxPVI9WEXT/mI2v33xWO1iL4V73f1P7opN5EV/qCdlTYb6wni9jgCmxnHR5QRVca5mMZ joVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlEaG2lMY7uWQwEfaSiNAIy/IA12P591Lf6h+2uZjsJosbVYt2qZ ECJFGZ/tqAQYKgRIYqBNikLryfQ1pM4KCON9xNs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpfxOr37dHmjHMNsEafdRh8SeH+6tKCUH6LnGptZJ9lfKef2listJx3Xkw7OF3ZWKY8QjSg1oqVGkA+5r09ULkw= X-Received: by 2002:a24:f83:: with SMTP id 125-v6mr1559922ito.18.1531700919443; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:28:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:9c7d:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:28:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20180714064429.36c6bc43.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <201807151821.w6FILUXj094865@fire.js.berklix.net> <20180716072622.198015fe.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> From: Adam Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 00:28:38 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks To: Warner Losh Cc: Andras Farkas , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Julian H. Stacey" , core@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 00:28:42 -0000 On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:24 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 6:20 PM Andras Farkas > wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh wrote: > > > Such overly-simply CoCs have proven unworkable in the past. They were > OK > > in > > > the 90's, but we live in a different internet world today. These are > good > > > guidelines and great advice, but make it hard to take action when > > > necessary. I wish it were not so. > > > we live in a different internet world today > > > [Citation needed] > > > > Direct personal experience on a conduct board, 10 years over the last 20 > serving on FreeBSD core team. Most of that time as core's specialist in > interpersonal disputes. That qualifies me to have an informed, expert > opinion. > > So what are your credentials? > > I'm an expert because I say I am. What kind of conduct is that? -- Adam