From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 07:42:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F96916A4CE; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pear.silverwraith.com (66-214-182-79.la-cbi.charterpipeline.net [66.214.182.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1682143D5A; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:42:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from avleen@pear.silverwraith.com) Received: from avleen by pear.silverwraith.com with local (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1AecJ7-000EP0-4g; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 07:42:49 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:42:49 -0800 From: Avleen Vig To: Martin Nilsson Message-ID: <20040108154248.GX53429@silverwraith.com> References: <20040107235737.I32227@pooker.samsco.home> <3FFD4B8E.6050102@mullet.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FFD4B8E.6050102@mullet.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i Sender: Avleen Vig cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long Subject: Re: Discussion on the future of floppies in 5.x and 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:42:52 -0000 On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:22:38PM +0100, Martin Nilsson wrote: > Are you aware that the FreeBSD CD:s (both 4.9 & 5.2) are not bootable on > a CD-ROM connected via USB? Both try to boot but hangs somewhere in the > loader. This is on our P4 Supermicro serverboards. As usual Win2K, 2K3 & > RedHat just works. An external USB2.0 connected Asus CD-RW drive > (52x/24x/52x) with power supply costs about $70 so this is really > nothing expensive or fancy today. Please do not assume that because it costs $70 it is universally availible. There are a lot of people who cannot afford this: the unemployed school children retired persons (sometimes) people with families to support :) Unfortuantely I feel this does need to be taken in to account here. While I totally empathise with Scott's problem and the lack of time to do things the way we have been, we need to appreciate that telling everyone to burn a CD to install FreeBSD (thus incur costs if you don't have a CD burner, and wouldn't need one if not to install FreeBSD) is not far from the "You must pay us to buy this on CD" approach (openbsd)