From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 3 12:02:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13325 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.1.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13296 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (fpawlak@minbar-2-12.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.135.140]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.9.0) id OAA13550; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:01:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA02337; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:02:07 -0500 Message-ID: <19981003140207.E2101@execpc.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:02:07 -0500 From: Frank Pawlak To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail References: <12464.907414597@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <12464.907414597@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 04:36:37AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Now, just for a little contrast, let's go to Japan and look at their > mainstream press. Whooee! Articles about FreeBSD almost every month! > 20 different books on the bookshelves, covering everything from "How > to be an ISP with FreeBSD" to "FreeBSD kernel internals." Regular > columns on FreeBSD in several of their Unix magazines. And you know > what? In Japan, FreeBSD and Linux are neck-and-neck in terms of > users. It's not the more usual "Linux kicks FreeBSD's butt" scenario > there at all, and that's certainly not because Walnut Creek CDROM (or > even Pacific HiTech) are doing amazingly good promotion in Japan. PHT > is doing some promotion, yes, and for that they should be thanked, but > it's really the user base in Japan which is making ALL the difference > in terms of garnering market share. > > So, in a nutshell, Brett is completely wrong about this. It's not WC > holding FreeBSD's progress back, it's apathy on the part of those who > could be achieving everything that the Japanese FreeBSD users are > achieving if they put the same amount of energy into writing all that > stuff. I've been approached by literally every book and magazine > publisher here in the U.S., each starving for books and articles on > FreeBSD, and if I were into that (which I most emphatically am not) I > could spend every waking hour of my life just writing articles and > still not catch up with demand. I have, at various times, grabbed the > shirt of anyone I could think of in the FreeBSD community with even an > ounce of writing ability and offered them everything from whisky to > women if they would just PLEASE WRITE SOMETHING. > > Do you hear me Frank? Not so sure that you waving you finger in my face as you lecture me is appreciated. As far as your offer of whisky to women goes, it is completely without foundation. While I readily admit that technically I am not up to speed to do a major article on FreeBSD, but in spite of that I have a pretty good start on one. However, I have asked for some materials, which you committed to provide and then totally went against your commitment. So don't wave your finger at me!! I may volunteer to do some things, but grovel for help, never!!!!! Here is another point for you to ponder and wave your finger at, I am a user of FreeBSD and a subscriber to the releases. Both of which can easily be cancelled!! Further, as a professional that has been promoting open source software in the commercial arena for about two years, my attitude toward FreeBSD could well change. Easy enough to stop mentioning FreeBSD along with the other things that I recommend. Wave on Jordan!!! Maybe you should hear me O High Priest!!!! -- --Frank "At no time is the freedom of speech more precious then when a man hits his thumb with a hammer." --Marshall Lumsden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message