From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 15:52:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1D737B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail3.alcanet.com.au [208.178.117.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F3943FA3 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:52:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])h5GMq2vc022932; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:52:02 +1000 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.20.247]) by sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.12) with ESMTP id 2003061708501888:2692 ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:50:18 +1000 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h5GMq1Dg005137; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:52:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.8/8.12.5/Submit) id h5GMq1QH005136; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:52:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:52:01 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Julian Stacey Message-ID: <20030616225201.GP273@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> References: <200306162001.h5GK1wHh091586@grimreaper.grondar.org> <200306162229.h5GMT4WG021414@tower.berklix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200306162229.h5GMT4WG021414@tower.berklix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 17/06/2003 08:50:18 AM,|February 13, 2003) at 17/06/2003 08:50:19 AM, Serialize complete at 17/06/2003 08:50:19 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org cc: Mark Murray Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:52:27 -0000 On 2003-Jun-17 00:29:04 +0200, Julian Stacey wrote: >Mark Murray wrote >> Last time I looked, we had _very_ few CTM users. Does this include people who FTP the CTM deltas or just those on the mailing lists? >At least one friend used to ftp the deltas, but didn't get them by >subscription. I get CTM by mail at work - CVSup isn't an option due to firewall restrictions (no outgoing access other than FTP and HTTP). At home, I normally FTP the CTM files - I find it more convenient than CVSup since I understand how it all fits together and can easily move the deltas between systems. It also has the advantage of being part of the base system (and doesn't pull in Modula-2). >Occasionally they end up on magazine CDROMs too etc. The xEmpty files should also form a convenient way to initialise part of the tree. I suspect downloading an xEmpty file is smaller than CVSup'ing from nothing, even if you then use CVSup to update. >> Is there any reason that the CTM stuff should not be a port? Personally, I would prefer CTM to stay part of the base system - but that's because I use it. Taking a less self-centred viewpoint, especially given that CVSup is a port, there's probably not a great deal of justification for having CTM in the base system. >"Would on balance, after all aspects & users etc are considered, >FreeBSD be a better or worse `product', if CTM was in src/ or ports/ ? " What we need is an intermediate category for packages that are maintained within the FreeBSD project but not in src/. This is part of the ongoing (never-ending) attempt to modularise FreeBSD. >My 2c.: Throw out 4M of games/ if you need to save space. AFAIK, they've already been moved to ports. Peter