From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 7 00:29:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF895106564A for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 00:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mihai.militaru@gmx.com) Received: from mailout-eu.gmx.com (mailout-eu.gmx.com [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 498A38FC0C for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 00:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 May 2010 00:29:30 -0000 Received: from 89-45-24-235.citynet.botosani.ro (EHLO free.bsd369441.org) [89.45.24.235] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu005) with SMTP; 07 May 2010 02:29:30 +0200 X-Authenticated: #45327653 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+8KG0bURu8oNL/yd08CRZQ8kYbiZJiZ7GmVHZhaW gGqMi/CETJLzTx Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 03:27:50 +0300 From: Mihai Militaru To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu Message-Id: <20100507032750.c97f7886.mihai.militaru@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <20100504171535.0b661c12@it.buh.tecnik93.com> References: <4BDF1F8D.4090401@gmail.com> <20100503230127.58979b9f@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20100504171535.0b661c12@it.buh.tecnik93.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.18.7; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Tim A Subject: Re: Dixit port bad management X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 00:29:33 -0000 Sarcasm may not be an excuse for an irrational behavior. I noted this "suprematism" he's talking about as well, although I'd not call it like that - it assumes a superiority - but an unnecessary hubris. Most questions I investigated since I'm on this system have been answered already here and there on the internet by some maintainers, things like: "go read the Bible", "it is a problem with your hardware", "you've done something wrong." or no answer. Note the period after "wrong". I understand that people are busy, we should collaborate (aka. I should fix some bugs as well) - but that assumes that users who are not expert should be helped with tips, advices quickstarts not to be dismissed as suckers. Indeed, like Tim said, the ports are listed -I was happy to see that I could use most of the software I was used to - but a lot of them simply don't work, in other words they're empty advertising. Let's take an example: LXDE. We have a desktop listed; its capabilities? Dumping core on amd64, since Q1 2009 if not earlier. Nobody says anything about it, I would like to ask about it, but considering the "encouragement" I got from my previous experiences - eg. a simple unanswered question about openssl and something else where "my hardware was faulty" although it works flawlessly on other OSs - I prefer to shut up and get back to my torn and partially sewed installation. Thanks for reading and btw, I like FreeBSD, its principles and many things to count, so don't try to kick me out back on Linux :P. That means that I seriously appreciate most of what's done and I'm excited something new almost every day, except for these unfortunate situations which break any hope of reliability, from a pragmatic POV. What would be the best approach for an user who simply can't find other way around than to get help or ask for something to be fixed, to keep insisting, posting new threads? Regards, Mihai On Tue, 4 May 2010 17:15:35 +0300 Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2010 05:10:17 -0500 > Tim A wrote: > > > > > > > >> 4) I don't understand the suprematism attitude of the > > > > >> maintainers in charge, who don't give a penny on the programs > > > > >> they are suppose to maintain. They are only interested in the > > > > >> statistics generated by their unprofessional ports, but not > > > > >> in their quality. > > > > QED *********** > > Indeed! > > To quote Shatner, get a life. > > Also: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/floor.png > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm > > You are a unique person, the one who made me inaugurate my killfile > (mainly for some of your private mails). -- Mihai Militaru