From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sat May 15 20:11:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3017964EA23 for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 20:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FjGk26NVTz3lwM for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 20:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D8A0A64E935; Sat, 15 May 2021 20:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D863D64EA22 for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 20:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-f169.google.com (mail-lj1-f169.google.com [209.85.208.169]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FjGk24hhJz3lxv for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 20:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-f169.google.com with SMTP id e11so2468883ljn.13 for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 13:11:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=tIeiEmdluphWoHb7GR261dPR9CNeMam6hrJw2UK/q9g=; b=Wt97GehszWNeurNFWegh0samubssZAKQk8KBDWTYDNiCvrjZufH077ik2CLRq7VEuY 8ONzwEY56ekEouXwyS7S3nDE4YdROG51PjExD3bgXwJJH0cuqRJ3QBHq//i9kvsLZK+R /Du1ZS7gpFA3WIpjC7v48IIvusrq10eTW2qEusHdTBJkArkvKlPI8jl1khTUAiy1w32J U6G/cEc+6IjdO0Uoq1Hju62tN4695QMtgnmoQNqoH2bkuvfwFhOidcOFMJTdXTws7i0s 3Nqp9FrvR3jxF0W3lK7FiJklS6S1XJAxhQ/W/a+YqGTxha5NoEDricdTMFFx/+Y7mrZm jpCg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532kuPYSsVfe7FtGGaQGrAd47ST6gICw2wQF4aLIUlUxgcjpt4KE kj/jMLA2sPxlLp+7fgBvUd3NC/qufpFHZw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyD2CM8ZV+IZsnYLv9aVId1mlCRl+Gvdji3nM2SIcb1upAdl+IHtZ9tVCEnACdUIVSVkR/PjQ== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9a06:: with SMTP id o6mr25459524lji.198.1621109464757; Sat, 15 May 2021 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-f42.google.com (mail-lf1-f42.google.com. [209.85.167.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u13sm2187173ljk.133.2021.05.15.13.11.04 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 15 May 2021 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-f42.google.com with SMTP id z13so3183796lft.1 for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3456:: with SMTP id j22mr6195495lfr.532.1621109464522; Sat, 15 May 2021 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <451388d3-934c-c506-d7de-81de44b4a29a@vangyzen.net> In-Reply-To: From: Gleb Popov Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 23:10:38 +0300 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Alternate Screen To: Kevin Oberman Cc: current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FjGk24hhJz3lxv X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 20:11:07 -0000 On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 11:07 PM Kevin Oberman wrote: > We went through this "alternate screen" thing about 12 or more years ago > and almost everyone hated it except those used to Linux behavior. I don't > think it ever made it into a release after all of the screams of pain. It > drives me crazy when editing on the Linux Mint VM I run from time to time. > I've never been able to figure out why anyone would find it an improvement > an I suspect it was inserted in some Unix code back in the days of the > VT100 or VT220 terminal which were super popular and supported it. I guess > it's because someone thought it was a cool thing and that terminal based > editors were the perfect use. > > In any case, please make it STOP! > -- > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 > Sorry for the noise, but in my case it turned out to be specific to my terminal emulator - Konsole. It has an option called "reflow lines when terminal resized". Turning it off restored an old behavior for me.