From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 20 05:56:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CF5106566C for ; Thu, 20 May 2010 05:56:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f181.google.com (mail-qy0-f181.google.com [209.85.221.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB168FC1F for ; Thu, 20 May 2010 05:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk11 with SMTP id 11so5945882qyk.13 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 22:56:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fg6m1t3q0L5+J5zgYVD932VvkcTJnwEl1ZT8FWG3rJ4=; b=KSLCb2q+OFWB6AgYViAxQsGqrFI+/b6gRzAtkMfFF8F196s6FiGE4cmUYzns10/CU6 SdMS5JDmj/lydDMomtvC0CxaPhH4OwIeMYh2sgbTFWQ2GKXq7skcQoySLAkV+LfN6Mjb 6i+vYeVfT+4HQ78PriOhW5RDHGraRALy5axFA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J69QXzjHQqd22iqHFnYC7A+PhWnqnaI1CCpNXwQP/l/kuzE/OhogeHBHH0TCM66UH+ RnQPfD+oIR4PE8fR4r6PvM3VU+8TmIj7ck8AmyKK/M80uZzN+g3ZCxpCoSGSGidvABpD gU7fpBEnWBP4eqFNVJ87D7JDGZDKs4A2XSNlE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.8.80 with SMTP id g16mr5461305qag.274.1274335014277; Wed, 19 May 2010 22:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.185.138 with HTTP; Wed, 19 May 2010 22:56:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100520090848.39faaa3f@icy.localdomain> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 02:56:54 -0300 Message-ID: From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Anh Ky Huynh , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd on netbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 05:56:56 -0000 On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 20 May 2010, Anh Ky Huynh wrote: > >> I intend to buy a netbook for convenience (for many remote jobs, a netbo= ok >> seems to be enough) whose cost is around $400. I'd like have freebsd on = that >> netbook (oh, no linux, no windows, please :-) but it's hard to choose a >> right one that works fine (even with Ubuntu. See >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks.) > > http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html has a lot of user-supplied > information. > > I've used FreeBSD on Acer Aspire One models AOA150 and D250. =A0Most of t= he > basic hardware is the same on all brands: Atom processor, Intel chipset. > =A0Potential problem areas are card readers, wireless, and even wired > Ethernet. > > Watch out for the Poulsbo/GMA500 video in newer netbooks. =A0Sounds like = xorg > is questionable on them so far. Keep an eye on the ethernet and wireless cards too. Be sure _not_ to buy anything that comes with Broadcom chipsets (be it ethernet or wireless) specially if you are buying from Dell. Best advice I could give you is: - Set a top price: How much will you spent on it. - Based on that number, look for the netbook you like the most (given that they all pack almost the same hardware ... looks and probably keyboard are what make the difference... at least until AMD/ATI netbooks start to show up) - Once you have a candidate, use google to try and get the output of "lspci -vv" (that's 2 v, and not 1 w) from somebody running linux on the netbook you have chosen. ( the output of "pciconf -lbcv" will probably be harder to get .. ) - Make sure all the hardware ( or at least the parts you care about ) are fully supported under FreeBSD. Specially: suspend/resume as we are talking on a netbook in here and hence .. full suspend/resume support is vital. - With all that info in your hands, come back, post it to the list and ask if somebody owns the netbook you'd like to buy .. what problems they've run into (if any) and how was their experience running FreeBSD under that particular netboook. - Having done that, and knowing in advanced what you are about to get into ... just decide whether to spend your hard earned money on it or not =3D) My take? I decided to wait (for the last 4 months with the money on my wallet) until Dell released the new version of the Dell Latitude 2100 .. and then the Latitude 2110 showed up a week or so ago .. After seeing they went with the lackluster Atom N470 and it's crappy video chipset instead of going with the new AMD/ATI combo, that they only offer "Dell Wireless cards" (which AFAIK are all based on Broadcom chips) with no option to pick an intel 5100, and knowing they use soldered Broadcom ethernet chips, I decided not to spend my money on it and spend it in something that works for me, instead of spending it on something that only works for them =3D) Tips: - Do not buy anything with Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5906M ethernet c= ards. - Do not buy anything with Broadcom Corporation chips - Do not buy anything with Broadcom Corporation components - Do not buy anything that has the word Broadcom written on it or in its packaging, manuals or documentation. - Always look for harware from manufacturers that make their chipsets documentation available to the public, or at least, to the devels of different Open Source (specially BSD) projects. - Even if it's not my cup of tea and I am in no way recommending you to even consider them, _do_ take a look in here as it has a lot of information: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee Hope that helped =3D) Best luck on your buy Gonzalo Nemmi