From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Apr 26 17:13:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EEA37BC85 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:13:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18573 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:13:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA05654 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:13:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CB537BA73; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:12:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA54956; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:42:23 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:42:23 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Paul Richards.width" Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, Chuck Robey , Robert Watson , FreeBSD Committers Subject: Where to discuss architectural issues (was: How about building modules along with the kernel? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/modules/syscons/fire fire_saver.c src/sys/modules/syscons/rain rain_saver.c src/sys/modules/syscons/warp warp_saver.c)) Message-ID: <20000427094223.F43932@freebie.lemis.com> References: <20000426124729.D40207@freebie.lemis.com> <20000425234016.D1022@dragon.nuxi.com> <20000426164824.D43932@freebie.lemis.com> <3906CF74.1AEBFD09@originative.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <3906CF74.1AEBFD09@originative.co.uk> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 26 April 2000 at 12:13:56 +0100, Paul Richards.width wrote: Richards.width? > Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, 25 April 2000 at 23:40:16 -0700, David O'Brien wrote: >>> On Tue, Apr 25, 2000 at 11:48:27PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: >>>> Tell you what. Let the discussion carry on. If there's no movement by >>>> Friday, I'll stick the offer back up. I just want to insure that it >>>> doesn't die (again) by being stuck onto a proposal for too grand a design. >>> >>> The discussion should be moved to freebsd-arch then. >>> >>> FOLLOWS UP DIRECTED THERE. PLEASE *REMOVE* cvs-all & cvs-committers from >>> this thread. >> >> In theory, that's all well and good. But look what wc -l tells me: >> >> 679 cvs-all >> 1739 freebsd-current >> 481 freebsd-arch >> >> cvs-all doesn't appear to be a real mailing list, be we all know that >> there are about 200 people there. That means nearly 900 people on the >> (mutually exclusive) cvs lists, at least another 800 over in -current, >> less than 500 in -arch. You can't force a committer to join -arch, >> which is why I still prefer -committers. > > But the reason that not all committers join arch is because not all > committers are "arch" hackers. That's one reason. Another is inertia. > There used to be (still is but everyone ignores it) a policy that > discussions should not take place on any committers lists because > they are for the notification of commits and nothing more. There are > a myriad other lists for holding technical discussions. Agreed. But I still think we're missing something. It wasn't that long ago that we did that sort of thing on -hackers, which has suffered too much bloat to be useful any more. I once discussed a change on -hackers, at a time when -arch was a shadow of a list, and then committed, to be immediately asked to remove the fix again because people on -committers didn't want it. That was when we decided to put this kind of discussion on -arch. I think -arch is the right place. I'd just like to make sure that -committers doesn't get left out, and the best way I can think of to do that is to add -committers to the -arch list. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message