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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p12sm716875ywg.72.2019.06.27.12.12.23 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 27 Jun 2019 12:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (HP-ENVY [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45ZTzp5Ml4z3DJW for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:12:21 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I've got a major question... Message-ID: <20190627151221.00004412@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <77a7ea05-6264-d052-e03b-1cc889172f38@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20190626063443.51ad3f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627081518.9dc6f3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627091012.44fc65a7@archlinux> <20190627103701.7ea401b8@archlinux> <20190627110340.d0d87cfe.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627113712.8a8ffbb238f478b08514cf72@sohara.org> <20190627080134.000012d6@seibercom.net> <20190627141756.1bf4a848.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627153043.7ce7553c@archlinux> <77a7ea05-6264-d052-e03b-1cc889172f38@kicp.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1E09E6BF49 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=Sz7QidXA; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.39 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt1.aspmx.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.983,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.90)[ip: (-8.98), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.14), asn: 15169(-2.33), country: US(-0.06)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.c.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 19:12:27 -0000 On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 10:40:53 -0500, Valeri Galtsev stated: >;-) Just listing nuisances I've seen myself. Couldn't fit into >question the biggest one: "software for rent"... Even Adobe (whom I >always thank for postscript) lost my respect big time for starting >doing that. I could not disagree more with that assessment of 'software leasing' in general and Adobe in particular. For $32.01 per month for the entire Creative Cloud applications with 100GB storage. Since you are allowed two active instances, that effectively works out to $16 per month. That is less than my petty cash fund. Also, you receive all updates as they are released free of charge. When you consider that purchasing all of Adobe's Cloud applications would cost over $2000, and then finding yourself with software that will soon be out of date, I consider this a steal. I think the problem is that all too many individuals believe everything should be free, except of course their own time and labor. I work for a living and expect to be paid. I have no problem with others thinking the same way. I am not a socialist who wants something for nothing. Nothing is more expensive than "free". -- Jerry