From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 18:14:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6E5106566B for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 647E28FC12 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8531 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2012 18:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 18:14:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=NjMwaW6+Bzz5Db+JpTUmfgF4oLFgmsSi6XF3IIXiAbo=; b=PMHk5xGjUF0dbEm1x5Qr+STGJ69iA7vdHJA+KnCM8/+2XQFVmQ8g0l4aGWrMEY7fXm1kVEnECBXZjODTDSk7gpX3y/tYEHe/ukTHsSQ70pHXY5jOtAkWjbP+f252oq7U; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri8s5-0006GJ-Q1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:14:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:14:01 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:14:24 -0000 On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:12:11PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of > > things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "under > > the hood" in order to get what they want. The honesty can start > > immediately, it doesn't necessarily have to be a goal. > > > When people think in freedom, think in rights. And rights are > something that some "authority" give or steal. > > Multinationals think in what is good to sell. People like > "comfort" over all. The taste of people is fantastically > represented in the Wall-E movie; to "arise and walk" is not > considered a right. Futurist?, my father, thirty years ago, to > go to the corner to buy cigarettes, took the car; today he has > half body paralyzed by an hemiplegia, and perhaps one day to > arise and walk will not be a right for him. You're confusing "capability" with "right". These words are not the same because their meanings are not the same. I have a right to speak my mind, but if cancer requires the removal of my jaw so that I can no longer speak, I no longer have the capability of speaking at all. These are different things; a capability can be taken away, but a right cannot. This is what is meant by "rights" in the context of ethics. The law has its own jargon with its own definitions. The way you use "right" here is very much nonstandard for any context of which I'm aware, which means that before you can have a meaningful discussion with someone that involves such use of the term "right" you need to get them to buy into your definition of their own free will and agreement. Otherwise, the discussion will be nothing but disagreement and/or misunderstanding. So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up front. If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]