From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 1 14:37:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B794016A41C for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:37:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (adsl-144-206-250.jan.bellsouth.net [70.144.206.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6966843D49 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:37:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 556D621020; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:37:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:37:31 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Jim Thompson Message-ID: <20050601143730.GB25846@over-yonder.net> References: <43866.62.2.21.164.1117631913.squirrel@www.gwch.net> <429DB9B2.70405@t-hosting.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i-fullermd.2 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, K?vesd?n G?bor Subject: Re: How to update my system X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:37:33 -0000 On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 03:45:49AM -1000 I heard the voice of Jim Thompson, and lo! it spake thus: > > But friends, I, and probably a million other people, run FreeBSD in > colo space, and in my case, its a 3000 mile trip (across the ocean, > so I can't even drive) to go visit the poor machines. > > So, what about a short discussion on the risks of ignoring the > request to go to single-user? I've done upgrades for years without dipping into single-user, on boxes with no serial console, no keyboard, no monitor, etc. Sometimes they're beside me (still only ssh-accessible, but physically present), sometimes they're systems I've never seen in datacenters I've never seen. You won't catch me doing a 4.x->5.x upgrade like that. But I've done them along every -STABLE branch since 2.1.x, and the only incidents I've come across involved me messing things up (generally in editing configs at the same time as the upgrade, or forgetting important bits of the kernel config, or the like). -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream.