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Date:      Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:56:52 -0800
From:      "Bruce A. Mah" <bmah@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        Wilko Bulte <wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl>
Cc:        Dirk Froemberg <dirk@FreeBSD.ORG>, "Patrick M. Hausen" <hausen@punkt.de>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: RELENG_4_5 
Message-ID:  <200112261656.fBQGuq400898@bmah.dyndns.org>
In-Reply-To: <20011226163408.B13979@freebie.xs4all.nl> 
References:  <200112261401.fBQE1hb47452@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> <20011226151357.A13721@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20011226154748.A11930@physik.TU-Berlin.DE> <20011226163408.B13979@freebie.xs4all.nl>

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If memory serves me right, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 03:47:48PM +0100, Dirk Froemberg wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 03:13:57PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 03:01:43PM +0100, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
> > > > Just a minor question: at which point in the 4.5 release cycle
> > > > will a RELENG_4_5 tag appear? I'd be more than happy to test
> > > > -PRERELEASE and/or -BETA on a couple of machines, but I'd rather
> > > > change my cvsupfiles from RELENG_4_4 to RELENG_4_5 than RELENG_4.
> > > > Saves me from changing them back after -RELEASE.
> > > 
> > > RELENG_4_5 == 4.5RELEASE 
> > 
> > Hmm, not quite:
> > 
> > RELENG_4_5_0_RELEASE == 4.5-RELEASE 8-)
> 
> OK... ;-) What I was trying to say that RELENG_4_5 won't be there
> before 4.5 is released.

Well, it will, but only for about two days before the release.  The
RELENG_4_5 branch will be used for final tweaking of a release before
the release happens...it automagically turns into the bugfix branch
after the release date.

The original poster referred to a "RELENG_4_5 tag".  Just to clarify,
RELENG_4_5 is not a tag, but it's a CVS branch.  We want to create this
branch fairly late in the release cycle, so that the release branch gets
all of the bug fixes, MFCs, etc. applied during the release testing
process.  If (for example) a last-minute security fix shows up after
RELENG_4_5 is created, the fix needs to get committed to HEAD, RELENG_4,
and RELENG_4_5 (at the least!).

> > Probably RELENG_4_5 will appear not before 4.5-RELEASE. But in the end
> > it's up to the release engineer.
> 
> I think the normal sequence of events is establishing RELENG_4_5_0
> and then RELENG_4_5 to contain critical (security) fixes. But I could
> be wrong. Studying the commit logs might give you the ultimate clue I
> suppose. 

This is indeed up to the release engineers, but there *is* a reasonably
well-documented process for all of this...for the current dates for
4.5-RELEASE, see:

http://www.freebsd.org/internal/releng45.html

Bruce.



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