From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 21 05:42:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA23641 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 05:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA23632 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 05:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA21092; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:39:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199611211339.OAA21092@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: Who needs Perl? We do! To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:39:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, nik@blueberry.co.uk, davidn@sdev.usn.blaze.net.au, terry@lambert.org, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Nov 21, 96 08:11:15 am From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Chuck Robey who wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > > If you like, I am respectfully offering the gauntlet to the > > anti-bloatists, and suggesting that they nominate what they feel to be > > the core of the system, and then do something about it. > > On this point I can agree. If the folks who are concerned about bloat > feel strongly enough about that, why couldn't we have a minimal > distribution *that they have to maintain* for them? Then they could also > field the questions from users on why different things don't work on their > boxes, and the rest of us could stop hearing about bloat. We allready have that system and have had for long, the base distribution and ports. You just make it automatic to install all of ports in the bloated version, so now you have have the ball :) If we are going to have all this **** in the base distribution I want names on a list of people _REPONSIBLE_ for each and every package, so I know _EXACTLY_ who to yell at when it fails or falls to far behind. Otherwise core is going to get bashed over and over for not doings thing right. I'll take my share of bashing, but _NOT_ because somebody decided to make (favorit program de jur) part of the base system. > I would personally kinda like to folk some gui stuff into the > distribution, so things could get even more friendly, and I don't mean > initial install, either. This would be absolutely impossible in today's > one distribution paradigm. Having two dists would kinda free everyone up. Yeah, lets add open-look, xforms, qt and all those I forgot (or didn't know about) to the system, then everybody can have thier pick, and we'll keep the disk & cdrom manufactures happy too :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time.