From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 24 16:02:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9421D106564A for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:02:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 553D38FC0A for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2011 15:50:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.49] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2011 15:50:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2011 15:50:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 144606.86549.bm@omp1049.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22728 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2011 15:50:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1324741828; bh=j3TWe36xPBLNgFQ5HV5uDBsd47Imi3tO9FEDxaUkpPY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q7hdejNxW75TVk9LD1A5KnCZ5OpLJCLppXX8fNG4D5bx0mv0Vqmn2C/225NeH5E4zT2bswMoJqTn4dmLfK/ku8UVyxTWJiTfwTFyIOsxqAapR7cnQX/G9L3ESStrF/Xj9E0OzBIjI81I51Q9ZC7dR0FGyifvLs6tio4KLQfcTNw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QjOqs0ohqYeJ7nMHZf3ZBRidTzHtEb/cIC/dO/MvSLA/0KWaI8zq69U8JWHpb2dBp1HlbeqSmwYO903BaG7oQ7fav0BdRj5QyX8IjT3sRSIX7GqV/f7L/PSEzESjwgSftiTzotWhGgFtNCRQ0iNDsS/2WFK9xxd0KwupIWtkG8E=; X-YMail-OSG: sWX64ZsVM1lEaGbBMTgnjWXYrJ.FSFHBA.Hd5G9KUmt4WQ0 vxpa6FZM5_EXk9IMG3xs7YaKPjVDQ32uDKmJUPQ6.G8MFPHOjaLof2e9wiZr Bki8PuBocAwd.KjVWu2g.8nJNiqrkmCwdEMszr9Pi6G9RudKGgx18zzIRFLV hHDFmQ0u4UKvEQrVj7lSqhdfrIc_CSu.ycixrGFx3QGNgu25dw19zuKuUMOc iVSoPuxEQCGuKkIjAKL3QJJsU9tIysLasJQfll_Mlrd1y5XRhCFZVaQN0raY 4HtU.qOCpuHgTPg2Ufe75Vti.KaNDaQOKfFLt9CRjBtVE4u.Wwn8uYnk80ac LDZnlhekUORLz4__px6xBC84wcgTOFZl5vTVPBZmiapXx7lgP2VcoF_r25Kl Uq_s49j_1NBvnHhNHcYhA.AgHjOqL50UubGUsaFTa2DnWnmfz7.Pz Received: from [72.70.55.190] by web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:50:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <4EF25468.9040204@gmail.com> <4EF2C613.3020609@digsys.bg> <4EF3D68C.2060803@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20111223074706.1afe4d26@zelda.sugioarto.com> <4EF45C85.9010709@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4EF46829.6010508@digsys.bg> <4EF5E65C.3060405@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <1324741828.2235.YahooMailNeo@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:50:28 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Pathiakis To: "O. Hartmann" , Daniel Kalchev In-Reply-To: <4EF5E65C.3060405@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Martin Sugioarto , "freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG" , Igor Mozolevsky , "freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG" , "O. Hartmann" , "Daniel@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Pathiakis List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:02:54 -0000 Hi,=0A=0AWell, I don't chime in, usually.=A0 However, enough is enough.=A0 = There are many merits to both *BSD and Linux.=A0 I don't agree with benchma= rks that slant either way, as I'm sure people in both camps will agree.=A0 = Please be adult and just agree to disagree.=A0 Technology applicable to the= problem at hand is the only useful thing that we should all agree on.=A0 P= ersonally, I don't care if it's BSD, a Linux-variant or even Windoze if it = solves the problem.=A0 So, if you would all look at all the time spent vent= ing on this idiocy as time that could have been spent coding, debugging, et= c, think how much time was wasted from people just reading these e-mails.= =A0 (Yes, I do and this was an absolute waste of my time.)=A0 So, if the co= mmunication on the thread was nearly as much going to development and findi= ng issues or the causes of the issues, maybe a scheduler problem would be t= racked down, maybe a benchmark issue would be tracked down.=A0 Maybe people= will stop using RC's versus releases, I don't know.=A0 I really don't care.=A0 Just = please stop with finger pointing and being disgruntled and indignant.=A0 FO= CUS!!=0A=0AI'd love to say something like "Can't we all just get along" but= we are just so polar in our beliefs, I don't see it happening.=A0 Just dro= p it.=A0 If you have something constructive to say, spin off this thread an= d let the primary thread just die.=A0 (It should have a week ago.)=A0 Solve= the benchmarking issue, solve the scheduler issue, just focus.=0A=0APaul P= .=0ACTO/Owner =0A=0AAtlantis Services=0A=0A"Civilized Computing"=0A=0A=0A__= ______________________________=0A From: O. Hartmann =0ATo: Daniel Kalchev =0ACc: Martin Sugioarto= ; freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Igor Mozolevsky ; freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG; O. Hartmann ; Daniel@FreeBSD.ORG =0ASent: Saturday, December 24, 201= 1 9:49 AM=0ASubject: Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle L= inux 6.1 Server=0A =0AOn 12/23/11 12:38, Daniel Kalchev wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A= > On 23.12.11 12:48, O. Hartmann wrote:=0A>> Look at Steve Kargls problem. = He investigated a SCHED_ULE problem in a=0A>> way that is far beyond enough= ! He gave tests, insights of his setup,=0A>> bad performance compared to SC= HED_4BSD and what happend? We are still=0A>> stuck with this problem and mo= re and more people realise, that FreeBSD=0A>> does have somewhere a problem= and this seems to be a nasty problem not=0A>> easy to find or investigate.= =0A> =0A> This has made me to realize, that I was having a problem with SCH= ED_ULE=0A> that I was not aware of until now. WOW! :)=0A> =0A> Every schedu= ler has some problem, some fail here some fail there. I am=0A> confident, t= hat the case that Steve Kargls has reported will be resolved.=0A> =0A>> Ano= ther problem is this very elite-feeling closed club. Once you=0A>> managed = it getting into the club of committers or core team members,=0A>> you'll pr= obably fight for your seat ... I dont propose for that=0A>> socialists crap= Linux people tend to be like,=0A> [..]=0A> =0A> You never heard of the "Pe= ople's Republic of Berkeley"? :)=0A> =0A> As for commiter access, this sort= of comments trigger the system=0A> administrator in me. I have seen enough= people, who for the lack of=0A> other excuses always use "but I don't have= enough RIGHTS!". I am evil, I=0A> know....=0A> =0A>> But I follow the illu= sion that if people can see what benchmarks=0A>> reveal, they start thinkin= g and if the facts are starting to give a=0A>> heavy load load on those rej= ecting the facts, they migght change their=0A>> opinion or get hopefully re= placed by more openminded people.=0A> =0A> Here is now it works:=0A> =0A> I= f you see an problem and have a solution: go fix it. Many will be=0A> grate= ful.=0A> If you can't fix it, but have an idea how to fix it, share it. May= will=0A> be grateful.=0A> If you can't fix it and don't have any idea, jus= t say "there is a=0A> problem" and stop there. There are many, many, many l= ike you who just=0A> hold their breath.=0A> =0A> We all learn, every day.= =0A> =0A> Daniel=0A=0ASorry, but your crap is simply breathtaking.=0A=0Aoh