From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 04:22:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4191065670 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:22:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15BD8FC08 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe6 with SMTP id 6so1427397wwe.31 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.28.200 with SMTP id n8mr1452292wbc.97.1308802973873; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jumpvm.public.fotolog.net (paris.c-mal.com [88.170.200.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gb6sm922201wbb.0.2011.06.22.21.22.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E02BF99.4070409@my.gd> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:22:49 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <20110622164129.GB31480@gmail.com> <20110622171324.GC31480@gmail.com> <20110622224404.GA32157@gmail.com> <20110623030856.GA32455@gmail.com> <20110623040543.GA30691@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20110623040543.GA30691@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable , George Kontostanos , Chris Brennan Subject: Re: ata: SIGNATURE: ffffffff X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:22:56 -0000 On 6/23/11 6:05 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:08:57PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: >> * Damien Fleuriot [2011-06-23 03:56:54 +0200]: >> >>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 01:02, George Kontostanos wrote: >>> >>>> Look, I think that this is getting personal and not constructive at all. >>>> Stop mumbling unless you have something useful to add. >>>> >>> >>> How about you do what he says and stop top posting, as per the list's policy ? >>> >>> Annoying pretty much everyone in the list with your stubbornness about >>> top posting and your misplaced rudeness towards a helper might result >>> in a drop in the number of people willing to spend time helping you. >> >> This will be my last post on this topic. George you are rude and I know >> I will not be offering any more suggestions for you. I foresee few >> others willing to help you now as well. Jeremy has willingly given you a >> great amount of detail to work with and it's up to him to look past your >> rude behavior and continue to help you. > > > The difference is that I really don't care if people top-post, > bottom-post, or respond in-line. I work with whatever I'm presented > with. > > I personally use all 3 methods depending upon the context is and what > mailing list rules allow/permit. But it varies per list, and some lists > have zealots that absolutely despise top-posting (even if the list > permits it). > > I fully acknowledge that the FreeBSD lists advocate and insist upon > in-line or bottom-post replies, and I honour that -- as should George. > > But let's be reasonable: there's a problem at hand that George is > needing help with. The last thing a person under duress (re: in a > situation like this) needs is to be lectured about "not confirming to > mailing list style". I say this knowing that conforming to said list > style is important, however. > The guy has, basically, told Chris to fuck off until he has something else to add other than "if I were you, I'd check your card, that's the next logical step". Like, totally biting the hand that feeds really... That the guy failed the most basic of social skill by not bothering to say "hi guys" or "hi list" or "hi everyone" when posting, that I would overlook. But replying in this manner to someone that actually offered a valid suggestion ? I've become unwilling to spend time trying to figure his problem out, I don't even want to lose time *reading* his emails at this point. He's lucky you're far more forgiving. That's my last mail on the matter, don't wanna generate noise for sub'ers.