Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:11:43 -0500 From: Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> To: "Simon L. Nielsen" <simon@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Dmitry Pryanishnikov <dmitry@atlantis.dp.ua>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> Subject: Re: UID/GID dynamic allocation in net/isc-dhcp3-server: why? Message-ID: <20061111211143.GA26524@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20061111210504.GM1006@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20061111210303.A92042@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <20061111203731.GL1006@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20061111204804.GA26170@xor.obsecurity.org> <20061111210504.GM1006@zaphod.nitro.dk>
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On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 10:05:05PM +0100, Simon L. Nielsen wrote:
> On 2006.11.11 15:48:05 -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 09:37:31PM +0100, Simon L. Nielsen wrote:
> > > On 2006.11.11 21:12:09 +0200, Dmitry Pryanishnikov wrote:
> > >=20
> > > > I don't like the current behaviour of the net/isc-dhcp3-server port
> > > > of creating 'dhcpd' user and group using dynamic allocation instead=
of
> > > > having static one (as specified in /usr/ports/{U,G}IDs). I like the=
idea
> > > > of [ug]id ranges, and dynamic allocation doesn't keep within this i=
dea
> > > > (ids of users and daemons get mixed). Is there specific reason why =
there
> > > > is no static [ug]id for net/isc-dhcp3-server?
> > >=20
> > > Personally I have it precisely the other way around - I find the
> > > static allocations rather annoying since they are bound to collide
> > > with existing UID's at some point.
> > >
> > > IMO the optimal solution would be to have some magic which auto
> > > assigns ports/system UID/GID's from different ranges that normal
> > > users.
> >=20
> > Just so :)
> >=20
> > UIDs below 1000 are (and have been for many years) allocated to the
> > "system" (ports/src), and are not supposed to be allocated by
> > administrators. This at least works out of the box with some of the
> > tools we have for allocating new users, so are you aware of any that
> > don't do this?
>=20
> I know that people are not suposed to use < 1000 and for normal users
> and I havent seen any FreeBSD tools which uses low UID's for normal
> users by default. I don't do use low UID's new systems/sites, but
> sometimes you have "old" systems/sites where that is just not the
> case. I'm certainly not saying we should bent over backwards to
> support these legacy systems, I just want to point out that they do
> exist. I'm really not trying to start a big debate over static
> vs. dynamic UID/GID allocations, the original mail just made it sound
> to me like it was a universal truth that ports should use hardcoded
> UID/GID's and it was always a good thing.
>=20
> And the site where I have UID/GID's in the < 1000 range is called
> FreeBSD.org :-) (we use UID/GID's from 500 and up).
I dunno what you are suggesting could be done on systems where the
administrators have chosen to ignore the conventions. Even supposing
the <1000 range was dynamically remapped to some other range on such
systems, what's to stop the rogue admin from allocating there too?
Kris
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